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B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
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Wrong poll Ken [Smash] [rolling on floor laughin] [Smash]

-b

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I can see that Ken, but speaking with emotion I'd be getting another car.

Sure, I'm not a top driver but my ladder system is trying to learn to drive better so I can reach for another rung and try to race with faster folks. With almost all cars in our region being a 1.6 and me with a '95, I don't want to be relegated to driving just ITA or one of the "I showed up so I got a podium" classes.

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Keith Novak
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quote:
Wrong poll Ken


I know, but it's not too late for you to fix it! [Razz]

Keith, I'll help you swap to a 1.6 [Wink]

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If I switch to a 1.6, what the heck am I supposed to do with my 4 spare water pumps? [Smile]

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sway bars, brakes?

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Old 1.6L engine? ECU? Intake(s)? A/F meters?

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DB Yes! You have to! ...and you have to machine an adapter to mount the 1.6 throttle body (or drill out the 1.6 throttle body to fit the 1.8 intake). And all the 1.8 EGR stuff stays disconnected, and you have to build/modify a custom crossover tube because of the differences in cooling plumbing, and you need the 1.6 coil packs and a custom mount, need the 1.6 temp sensor,a 1.8 throttle cable and motor mounts, and you have to lengthen the wire on a 1.6 single wire o2 sensor, and you have some creative cooling plumbing to do. ....or you need a 1.8 donor car; to remove all behind the dash wiring, underhood wiring, ecu, and all underhood accessories like EGR system components. I have done this swap and it is UGLY! The 5.0 V8 swap is no more work! .....hmmmmm Now there's a proposal that would make the class fun! (..and is just as impractical) [Smile]

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Michael that's not what is being proposed. no mixing parts -- harness, engine, entire intake and ecu. I just did a complete 1.6 to 1.6 swap and a friend just did a harness to remove what appeared to be cheated up ECU wiring from the pro cup days. This stuff is not really hard for the average joe backyard mechanic (watch me cringe when someone mentions the word fabricate) to do.

-bw

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-bw That's kinda my point. The two powertrain systems are so completely different that you have to completely strip a 1.8 chassis to have everything you need for a clean (no mixing) swap. You can't even buy all the parts you need; you must have a wrecked/donor 1.8. I wish someone else who's done one would pipe up and confirm just how involved that kinda swap really is. I can't see any reason to ever do another one. 'just build a 1.8.

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The swap takes about 20 hours max for anyone who knows the cars reasonably well.Yes, I do have the benefit of owning a salvage yard and parts at my disposal. I have done a few in each direction. IMO, If someone wanted to change to a 1.8, this would be considerably less expensive and time consuming than starting from a donor 1.8. This is not to say I feel it is necessary etc to compete etc.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drago:
The swap takes about 20 hours max for anyone who knows the cars reasonably well.Yes, I do have the benefit of owning a salvage yard and parts at my disposal. I have done a few in each direction. IMO, If someone wanted to change to a 1.8, this would be considerably less expensive and time consuming than starting from a donor 1.8. This is not to say I feel it is necessary etc to compete etc.

I already have the big diff! Halfway there.

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I had nice phone chat with Jim this morning to compare notes. His procedure was definitely better than mine and would save significant labor hours.

We both agreed you MUST remove the dash from the cars. If you have a cage that doesn't allow dash removal get ready for some cutting and welding!

We also both thought the only practical way to do the conversion is to have a 1.8 donor parked next to the stripped 1.6 chassis. So each part can be removed from the 1.8 and intermediately bolted in the 1.6 chassis as it's removed. This is the key to doing the swap correctly and efficiently.

We also thought if we can get this swap approved we should get someone to document the procedure for those of you who haven't done it!

My key point is I don't want anyone thinking they can just order a 1.8 crate/pro motor and make a quick trip to their local savage yard for a box full of odds and ends. But done correctly this is a good and viable swap for our class. IMHO

 
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