Region: Nebraska
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I have been asked to post the following...
Please read the attachment. I have no further information, but you need to be aware of this change. NO IMPACT RACING DRIVER CLOTHING WILL BE ALLOWED AT THE UPCOMING SSRR AT MAM. Note that this does not include seat belts.
Chris Safranek Tech Chief -- MVRG
DATE: March 31, 2009 NUMBER: RM09-01 FROM: National Staff
TO: All Participants SUBJECT: Impact Racing Product Recall
IMPACT RACING PRODUCT RECALL Any and all driver suits, pants, jackets, shoes and boots manufactured by Impact Racing pursuant to SFI Specifications 3.2A/15, 3.2A/20, 3.3/15 and 3.3/20 at any time during the year 2008 have been decertified by SFI Foundation, Inc. and must be immediately returned to Impact Racing offices or an Impact representative. Impact Racing has reason to believe that these products do not fully comply with the stated SFI Specifications and therefore do not meet SFI manufacturer certification requirements. This recall applies to all such products whether or not they have been updated, rebadged, or recertified by Impact Racing. This recall applies even if the product now has a 2009 SFI patch or label affixed to the product. All applicable sanctioning bodies have been notified of this noncompliance.
-------------------- Jim Stoddard Nebraska Region Competition Chair MVRG Board Member
Region: kc
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That's nuts. The only suits that are affected are the NHRA type drag suits, not the SFI 3-2A/5 suits that SCCA calls for in the GCR. In fact, they can't just ignore the GCR and say you can't run.
Region: NASA-SoCal
Car #: 23
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By all means use a sledge hammer to kill that fly.
Beyond the fact that the recall only pertains to the A/15 and A/20 suits and not the A/5 suits, the recall also only pertains to suits made in 2008. So if anyone only has a suit made in 2007 they can't race?
-------------------- Rob Gibson RJ Racing 2010 NASA Nationals TTE Champion 2008/2009 WERC Champion 2007 NASA SoCal SM Champion rjracing.net Weekend-Racer.com
Region: STL
Car #: 35
Year : #795 SRF Posts: 1209
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Last I saw, SFI rating was not required by the GCR for many of the safety items we use as long as they are the right material? I understand being cautious, but we need to follow our own rules. If someone wants to wear an Impact suit, require them to wear nomex underwear.
Region: Nebraska
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Year : 1990 Posts: 70
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Here is the SCCA latest position on this:
FURTHUR UPDATE:
National office (due to questions asked by a host of tech personnel) has noted that there is no way we can identify the year of manufacture on any Impact Racing item, so tech and grid personnel cannot determine if the gear is part of the recall.
The best we can do is let the driver know that there is a recall on all 2008 and 2009 Impact Racing driver gear and that the driver should check with Impact Racing to make his/her own decision about whether to continue to use the product.
Please note that SCCA does allow drag racing separates, and all Impact Racing driver gear (not just suits) are subject to the recall. This means underwear, balaclavas, gloves and shoes.
-------------------- Jim Stoddard Nebraska Region Competition Chair MVRG Board Member
Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991 Posts: 2171
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Jim,
SCCA needs to get their facts straight!
The decertification only affects /15 and /20 rated outerwear: suits, pants, jackets, gloves and boots. Not balaclavas or underwear.
The recall only affects gear that was manufactured in 2008 and recertified in 2009.
I hope the tech people understand that the /15 and /20 standards are not what road racers wear and the standards have nothing to do with whether the suit is a one or two piece design. The /15 and /20 standards are 3 to 4 times more fire-protective than what we wear and are often many layers thick, even for gloves and shoes. Frankly, they are only suitable for wearing for few minutes. After that, the driver begins to get dangerously hot.
Before SCCA tech goes on some campaign to scare racers and created a bunch of hyperventilating tech officials, they should understand what is actually going on.
If you really want to improve safety, recall the SCCA Club Racing Patches that invalidate the FIA certification on FIA approved suits.
-------------------- Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?
Region: NWR / Oregon
Car #: 88
Year : 95 Posts: 2000
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If it's just an advisory, that's fine but right off Impact's site...
Any and all driver suits, pants, jackets, shoes and boots manufactured by Impact Racing pursuant to SFI Specifications 3.2A/15, 3.2A/20, 3.3/15 and 3.3/20 at any time during the year 2008 have been decertified by SFI Foundation, Inc.
It doesn't mention underwear or gloves.
Shoes, gloves, socks, underware and balaclava's don't have to be SFI rated per the GCR. They merely have to be made of fire resistant material. In SCCA the shoes must cover your instep (so no spaghetti strap heels but open toes are ok I guess), and they may have ventilation holes.
You could in fact by the current SCCA GCR (NASA is a bit different), wear leather tennis shoes, and as long as the other stuff is wool, leather, or nomex, you're legal. Personally I wouldn't wear leather underware though.
I'd be rather non-plussed if someone was going to try and deny my entry due to a potential SFI rating issue with a different product when all of my clothes are already, by design, MUCH better than the minimum required.
BTW- I just looked at the label inside my Impact booties. I'll give you one good guess at the country of manufacture. And then I just looked at my Piloti shoes.
-------------------- Keith Novak (Will work for tires)
Region: kc
Car #: 20
Year : 92 Posts: 1801
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Jim, This is insane. As Kent pointed out, the decertification is specific and has nothing to do with what most SCCA racers wear. For your tech person to state that they won't allow anyone to race with any Impact clothing, just doesn't make sense. You should demand that SCCA allow Impact clothing that isn't, specifically, mentioned in the recall. Saying that there is a recall on all 2008 and 2009 Impact Racing gear is not true. There is a recall on specific racing gear, from those years, not all the gear. I don't own any of this gear.
Region: kc
Car #: 20
Year : 92 Posts: 1801
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If you have Impact racing gear, you will be able to race with that gear at Hallett and MAM in the Midiv. Since the recall only refers to the possibility that some SFI specifications may, or may not, be met, all Impact suits will be ok for racing at these events. If you have a suit that is listed by Impact, you should contact Impact to see about a replacement. None of the suits will be barred from the events. This is according to the Chief Steward. Pass it along. wheel
Region: Nebraska
Car #: 64
Year : 1990 Posts: 70
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quote:Originally posted by wheel: If you have Impact racing gear, you will be able to race with that gear at Hallett and MAM in the Midiv. Since the recall only refers to the possibility that some SFI specifications may, or may not, be met, all Impact suits will be ok for racing at these events. If you have a suit that is listed by Impact, you should contact Impact to see about a replacement. None of the suits will be barred from the events. This is according to the Chief Steward. Pass it along. wheel
Thanks Jim, for getting this clarified & posted. See you at MAM Jim
-------------------- Jim Stoddard Nebraska Region Competition Chair MVRG Board Member
Region: kc
Car #: 20
Year : 92 Posts: 1801
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Here's the official word:
Good Morning All: After doing some extensive checking on the "Recall" of the Impact Racing clothing, the information which I have received states that the suit's in question are NOT the type/style that is warn by road racing drivers. This recall is for a drivers information only and states that they should contact the manufacture regarding the recall notification and the number and CHECK on weather the suite they have is OK. Until we are informed differently MIDIV will allow the Impact Racing suit that has NOT been referred to in the recall to be used at the Hallett R/N and the MAM DS/DS/R/R events forth coming. Thank you. Bob Eddy - MIDIV Executive Steward and also Chief Steward for both of the above events.
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