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Martin Wiedenhoeft Verified Driver
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I'm thinking of running a few events with NASA this year but the information on their racing program is pretty sparce.

Does NASA have any type of regional championship like SCCA or is it just one National for everyone? How do you qualify to go to the national championships?

Do I have to get an anual tech on my car before attending an event. I found the online tech sheet is that it?

Thanks for any info, I do have some familiarity with NASA as I've run HPDE, TA and have done some instructing.

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Brian Domont would be the person to contact for info specific to Spec Miata for NASA Midwest.(He's the Spec Miata liason) I don't have his e-mail address handy, but you could probably get it through the NASA Midwest/Great Lakes website. Dave Royce is the head honcho & could also answer most of your questions or hook you up with Brian.

Basically, it's (so-called)National for everyone. You'll need to fill out the tech sheet available online, but an annual will also be required, as well as a new NASA logbook.

I don't know about qualifying for the Championships, but it shouldn't be a problem with the event moved to Utah this year.

Be aware, NASA requires a right-side head restraint & has expiration dates on window nets and FIA seats, so the transition from SCCA is no longer seamless.

Eric

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five races with points, I believe. can be in more than one class too.

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Here's a document that I put together to help SCCA drivers who want to run with NASA to navigate the process:

http://www.molaps.com/NASA_signup.doc

It's not an official NASA document, so YMMV for your region.

In NorCal, we have regional points championships in every racing class. Some of them are very hotly contested. This year, several of them were decided in the last race weekend, including SM.

To qualify for Nationals, you simply have to compete in five separate races in National classes. Here's what makes it very easy - you can mix/match ANY National classes to get to five races, then you are eligible to compete in the NASA Nationals in ANY/ALL of the classes. So, if you wanted to qualify for the NASA Nationals, you could do so in a single weekend (at least here in NorCal) by entering your SM in Spec Miata, PTE and Time Trials (yes, TT is a National Class). You could do all 5 races in a single weekend.

Cheers,

Dean

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Thanks very much for that Dean. I've tried for a while to put the pieces together but you've got it all in one place.

Now if you could just get them to take my SCCA license, log book and spot check me for the tech differences so I could easily run with my NASA buds a few times that would the best. [Smile]

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Thanks for all the information. Not sure I can get everything done in a couple of weeks for the next event but you should see me soon!

Seems strange to have a seat expiration?

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Call the NASA Administrator for the region in which you intend to race. They have the ability to issue a Provisional License at the regional level.

It is not optimal, but with some pre-coordination you can get a logbook assigned, join NASA and apply for a racing license all on Friday evening. If your experience is sufficient, the administrator can give you the ok to race on Saturday.

I have found my administrator to be VERY helpful, and easy to contact [thumbsup]

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I'm not a huge fan of the seat expiration rule, and I question the safety of an FIA seat with a back-brace installed. However, the FIA certification for a seat DOES expire after 5 years (read the FIA docs). So, technically, the seat is no longer FIA certified after 5 years, so it can't technically be called an "FIA seat" any longer.

Dean - not defending the rule, just 'splaining it!

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Martin,

Like what Glen said, Call your local NASA Region Administrator. The one difference I have found with NASA and SCCA (at least in So. Cal) is that NASA wants to help get their racers out and on the track. So it wouldn't suprise me if the admin got you on the track (even if you didn't have everything 100% correct).

Not a rip on SCCA but their tech is generally run by tech officials that are only concerned with tech and not neccessarily the driver's enjoyment. Again no one flame up - Tech is safety and safety is ultimately enjoyment so they are correct in their focus.

NASA is run by racers for a profit, so they want to get you on the track if they can do it safely. SCCA is run by volunteers that specialize in their own specialties. Individually, they don't lose anything if they don't let run.

I don't know your specific region, but I think you will understand what I am saying once you get there.

Welcome to NASA!!!

Sean

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Dean,
Great document! NASA should adopt that and put it on their website as you made the process really easy.

Dean is a good example of NASA administration at its best!

Sean

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Thanks, Sean! In the interest of constantly improving this, I'd really like feedback on the document from either newbies who use it and find it to be unclear or inaccurate or from seasoned vets who are aware of other differences I should include.

I'll suggest to Jerry that other regions might want to create a similar document with the specifics of their region included. I've never raced with another NASA region, so I don't have a feeling for how much of this is generic versus region specific.

Cheers,

Dean

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Do I really have to cover the SCCA patch on my suit and cover the SCCA stickers on my car? Seriously? Can I have a NASA sticker on my car at an SCCA event?

Can't I just have both on and run both NASA events and SCCA events through the summer that come to my area?

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Did NASA change the weights to follow SCCA? IS the 1.6 2285, or still 2300?

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quote:
Originally posted by Motor City Hamilton:
Do I really have to cover the SCCA patch on my suit and cover the SCCA stickers on my car? Seriously? Can I have a NASA sticker on my car at an SCCA event?

Can't I just have both on and run both NASA events and SCCA events through the summer that come to my area?

Unfortunately yes. You'll need to tape them over. I run both sactioning bodies and move the tape from one to the other. Typically they don't bother about the suit patch - unless it's at the Nationals and you're on the podium.
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Read your rulebook. This is also an SCCA rule.

From the 2009 GCR:

Logos and decals of sanctioning bodies other than SCCA shall be removed or covered (car and driverís suit).

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I only cover my SCCA stickers and patches at the nationals, phot events or if asked. And it simply takes a piece of tape.
I think the patck and sticker controversy is hilarious as I have never heard a racer race with the other santioning body because they saw a sticker or patch.
Its simply about service, car counts and keeping the drivers happy. Not stickers

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Wow. In the SCCA GCR too huh. I guess I need to call both clubs silly and childish over that.

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I think it is a little silly, too, but I can see their point. If a picture shows up in a magazine or the club newsletter, the sanctioning body wants THEIR logos on the car and no one else's. This is especially true for NASA which is a business, not a club.

A neat tactic that NASA Norcal uses for enforcement is that when you show up at tech or impound with an SCCA patch or decal, they have a special roll of bright pink duct tape they cover them with [Smile]

Cheers,

Dean

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quote:
Originally posted by dtfastbear:

A neat tactic that NASA Norcal uses for enforcement is that when you show up at tech or impound with an SCCA patch or decal, they have a special roll of bright pink duct tape they cover them with [Smile]

Clever idea [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Motor City Hamilton:
Wow. In the SCCA GCR too huh. I guess I need to call both clubs silly and childish over that.

+2 pretty pathetic

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