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I am an SCCA member new to road racing this past year.

Interesting reading through every post in these two Runoffs SM threads:

http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/4922.html

http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/4925.html

Then reading every post in this post NASA Championships SM thread:

http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/15/179.html

My impressions after all that reading:

Every car that started the NASA race finished it (not so at the Runoffs), NASA race finished under green flag (not so at the Runoffs), NASA tech shed had some bite (not so at the Runoffs) and even the mid-packers seem to have had alot of fun at the SM Championship (not so at the Runoffs).

Maybe SM Runoffs just had a bad year? Hope so.

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NASA officials made it clear at the very first SM drivers meeting at the Miller Championship, that car to car contact (apart from bump-drafting) will not be tolerated and will result in penalty.

Furthermore, there were mandatory drivers meeting after EACH on-track session (meaning practice, qual and qual race, 3 times a day) to deal with any "issues".

Maybe we were lucky, maybe the West Coast was just mellow or maybe those meetings did help to keep aggression in check... whatever it was, we had green flag racing all the way, all 3 days.

At the very end, like you said, all 40 cars that started also finished the race. And there were very, very few dented panels.

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But a few cars just a little shorter nose to tale [Wink]

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Having competed in three NASA nationals, I agree with other assessments made here about the effort that was put forth to "tramatize" competitors about unessary roughness. They made it abundantly clear that unessary roughness in the qual sessions would lead to disqualification from the big show.

While I find some aspects of NASA operating practices unpleasant, the fact is, they effectively enforce contact (versus SCCA's approach that requires the injured party to throw paper). It is clearly a superior approach to lessenning carnage.
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how quickly we forget the NASA SM carnage at Mid Ohio in 2007 on the backstretch....

Or this:
(see 4:00 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IG_IR34pbg

You'll see some Runoffs regulars in that video BTW.

maybe NASA just had a good year and SCCA just had a bad year? [Wink]

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It would have been wise given the size of the SM field and some of the recent history at RA for a Steward to have held a driver's meeting early in the week to lay down the law on a few things.

It's easier for the workers to do very little and let the competitors have all the headaches than it is for them to try and police all of the on-track and tech issues.

After all, they are volunteers and they are there to enjoy themselves too.

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Overheard on the race control frequency near the end of the race...something like this...

"Tower to all stations and wreckers: throw the checker and clean this shit up so we can take a lunch break"

Can you blame them?

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Or this from 2007:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIlziy0LP9Q

We all had to wear our helmets in the driver's meeting. The theory that doing so would reduce carnage was not supported by data.

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Love your radio communication at the end Denny.

"I don't think I'll do this next year. This is crazy shit!"

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It's my impression that NASA is more concerned with policing on-track behavior than SCCA (at least in my neck of the woods). But it should be noted that Miller Motorsports Park is, on average, a wider track than Road America. More room to race = less incidents.

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Originally posted by Tom Sager:
It's easier for the workers to do very little and let the competitors have all the headaches than it is for them to try and police all of the on-track and tech issues.

After all, they are volunteers and they are there to enjoy themselves too.

I really hope this isn't the attitude of SCCA officials. If they just want to enjoy themselves, come out and watch. If they take a job, regardless of it's on a volunteer basis, they should treat it like a job and take it seriously. Otherwise why even bother?

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Maybe it's a left-coast thing with everyone immersed with a hippie vibe man. Just chillin' and enjoyin' the sun, man... Hey man, no need to drive so fast man, the waves and grass will be here in the morning, man.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
But it should be noted that Miller Motorsports Park is, on average, a wider track than Road America. More room to race = less incidents.

This is VERY true, MMP is like a 4 lane freeway with LOTS of runoff room should you get into the dirt.

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quote:
Originally posted by dkizerian:
quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
But it should be noted that Miller Motorsports Park is, on average, a wider track than Road America. More room to race = less incidents.

This is VERY true, MMP is like a 4 lane freeway with LOTS of runoff room should you get into the dirt.
Dirt a big plus no wet grass like RA. Go off at Miller chances of ending up back on track not very likely.

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quote:
Originally posted by dkizerian:
quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
But it should be noted that Miller Motorsports Park is, on average, a wider track than Road America. More room to race = less incidents.

This is VERY true, MMP is like a 4 lane freeway with LOTS of runoff room should you get into the dirt.
I went so far off at the exit of T4 one time that I saw the Luxor, MGM Grand, Caesars Palace and the Bellagio... You can go a Loong ways!

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quote:
Originally posted by Todd Lamb:
how quickly we forget the NASA SM carnage at Mid Ohio in 2007

or 2008

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Tom

I was on the race control net during and after the race and did not hear that transmission....although they do know that our races at all tracks take longer to cleanup for the next race which is why ours was probably put right before lunch. Also all of the corner workers are required to stay at their corner and lunch is delivered.

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