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Wondering how everyone else feels about Red Bulls decision to allow vettel the opportunity to win the Brazilian GP, rather tha swapping positions and giving Weber a needed 7 points?
I hope that they lose the drivers championship by less than 7 points. Neither a Weber or Vettel fan, but that was really stupid IMO.
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Two thoughts.
First, I agree it was not very smart for Red Bull not to attempt to maximize the chances to bring home the driver's championship for Webber.
Second, it is clear, since positions weren't swapped, Red Bull couldn't care less if Webber doesn't win the driver's championship and are only interested in promoting Vettel.
I have to think Webber is privately fuming that Vettel was allowed to win.
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It is against F1 rules for one team member to pull over to let the other win. If Webber still wins it, the championship will have been won fair and square. The same might not be said, about an Alonso championship.
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Ironic how Mark's car had heat issues but Seb's didn't? Agreed...if Vettel was 2nd in points, Lord Helmut would be dancing to a different tune. But because Mark is out front it's "every man for himself". Rooting for Fernando, then Mark. I hope Vettel crashes out on the last lap while leading just so we can see another temper tantrum from the resident F1 spoiled brat.
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quote:Originally posted by wheel: It is against F1 rules for one team member to pull over to let the other win. If Webber still wins it, the championship will have been won fair and square. The same might not be said, about an Alonso championship.
uh, yea right.
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quote:Originally posted by wheel: It is against F1 rules for one team member to pull over to let the other win. If Webber still wins it, the championship will have been won fair and square. The same might not be said, about an Alonso championship.
Wheel I don't think Ferrari, the tifosi or very few F1 fans in general will even bring it up? Red Bull will do the same next week if in the same position, they have to. No one ever remembers second place! Sincerely 2009 SM Runoffs second place finisher
Red Bull has repeatedly said that there are no team orders, and that they let their drivers fight on the merit of their own pace. Arguably, that's why they have won the constructors championship.
Either one of two things is going on:
1. Webber is right and the team does favor Vettel. 2. The team is taking the high road, since team-orders is strictly forbidden in the regulations. They might have a lawsuit ready for FIA and Ferrari at the end of the season if Alonso wins by 7pts or less.
Hard to believe someone in motorsports taking the high road, but I happen to know for it does happen on rare occasions!
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Team orders go much deeper than we, the spectators, can comprehend.
For all we know, Red bull can be telling Webber to to change fuel trims because he needs to conserve gas. When this may not be the case, but it slows him down.
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quote:Originally posted by Scottie: Team orders go much deeper than we, the spectators, can comprehend.
For all we know, Red bull can be telling Webber to to change fuel trims because he needs to conserve gas. When this may not be the case, but it slows him down.
Or that he is low on fuel and needs to conserve, or that there is a brake temp issue, or....
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Lots of questions. Only one thing is certain, when it was Ferrari's time to make the choice, they chose to cheat. I love Jason's idea that Red Bull could sue if they lose by less than 7.
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Racing at that level is a team sport. 150 million a year plus budgets. The drivers are two very small parts of a massive team. Team orders are a must IMO. Let the drivers race until it becomes evident that only one can most likley win the title. Then put everything you can behind that driver.
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Racing at that level is also entertainment. If the fans take a shiz on what they perceive are 'fixed' results, those millions go flying out the window.
quote: Let the drivers race until it becomes evident that only one can most likley win the title.
Not the case this year. Both RB drivers have a legitimate chance.
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quote:Originally posted by wheel: So, what if Vettle takes out Alonso on the first lap. It's all for the team.
As a paid employee for the team, he should do what he is instructed. If that means, putting a faster Alonso off by aggressive blocking, I am sure Ferrari would totally expect it.
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quote:Originally posted by wheel: Lots of questions. Only one thing is certain, when it was Ferrari's time to make the choice, they chose to cheat. I love Jason's idea that Red Bull could sue if they lose by less than 7.
Is it only cheating because it was obvious? What about fuel conservation orders for Webber in the race he and Vettel crashed (and there were others)? Please. They are the same thing. The only difference is one team doesn't choose to hide behind thin veiled artificial scenarios.
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