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I was wondering what most of you run as far as harnesses when doing enduros? 5pt or 6pt? Is there are particular brand/make that is more suitable to driver changes, etc?

I ran a short enduro this season (3hr) and just had the smaller driver go second so the belts only had to be tightened...obviously this strategy wont work in a longer race. Tying the belts with surgical tubing to pull them out of the way when unbuckled did work quite well.

Any other tips/tricks?

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Ryan
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Ryan,

Dave Wheeler at Advance Autosports has a really nice set of "Enduro" belts that adjusts and fits different drivers for quick driver changes. I don't remember the brand but I'm sure a quick call to him will solve that 608.313.1230. Dave has used the belt in multiple cars and can speak to it's effectiveness.

My wife and I are going to use the same car and she is way smaller than me. We are going to use the Schroth enduro belt which is made for quick driver changes in enduro racing. http://www.schrothracing.com/store/Competition/profi/profi-II It can be purchased in either configuration 5 or 6pt. I use 6 and my wife uses 5. Different people will have different opinions on this.

Hope that helps.

Marty

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The Schroth belts are great. Makes driver changes a breeze.

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one word: SAFECRAFT

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quote:
Originally posted by rmgroth:
I was wondering what most of you run as far as harnesses when doing enduros? 5pt or 6pt? Is there are particular brand/make that is more suitable to driver changes, etc?

The best harnesses on the market right now for enduros are the Schroth Profi-II Enduro belts:

http://www.schrothracing.com/store/Competition/profi/profi-II/#2641

The reason is because the lap belt adjuster is built into the cam lock meaning you don't have to muck around with the adjuster close to the hole in the side of the seat. I believe they will run either pull up or pull down as well.

Additionally, I think these use a 2" lap belt which allows for a better, tighter fit along your pelvis.

They are pricey but we race tested them at the 25 hours of Thunderhill last year with great success. We had drivers 5'8" to 6'2" and skinny to stocky. If I was serious about enduros, these are the belts I would install.

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With the surgical tubing or the bungee loops, where do you tie the belts off to keep them out of the way?

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Keith - generally back towards the original mount. For example, the door side I might tie to the lower door bar. The trans tunnel side either to the e-brake attachment or all the way down to the snap-in eye for the harness. The shoulder straps back to the harness mounting bar. Sub strap... I don't recall if we did this one, but it would be good idea.

You want enough tension that they kind of fly out of the way but not so much you have to He-Man it when putting them on. [Smile]

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I tied off the shoulder straps to the upper cage on the left, and I ran a cord from the main hoop to the 'window' frame bar and tied the right shoulder strap to that.

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Originally posted by Brian @ MSR:
Sub strap... I don't recall if we did this one, but it would be good idea.

It would be a really good idea with a 5-pt harness. Our drivers kept managing to knock the sub through the seat pan hole getting in the car so whoever was assisting with the belts... Lets just say we had some awkward moments and are making some changes the next time.

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Run a 6-pt harness and you won't have any sub belt problems.

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I installed two sub belts, one adjusted for my wife and one for me. I got different colored belts so we can tell them apart. The unused sub belt just lays on the seat. I also put chalk marks on the lap belts at each setting to get the adjustment close without a driver in the car.

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http://www.safecraft.com/product_page_detail.asp?P...SubCatID=14&menu=&Search=

This is what you want.

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I love my safecraft. Unfortunately mine are crash tested...and worked great.

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+1 for the Safecraft.

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Another vote for Safecraft.
Probably the best piece of equipment I have purchased for the car.

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Of course just as I was getting ready to get a Schroth they raised their prices quite a bit. I like the look of the Safecraft, but it appears that the sub strap(s) are not easily adjustable, which is a big issue for enduros.

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Ryan, I installed two separate sub-belts, each with its own mounting points to accommodate 6'2" me and 5'0" wife. Mine is blue and her's is black. No need to adjust subs that way.

You're welcome.

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It looks like the Schroths only have the bungee loops on the shoulder belts. Can anyone who actually has them confirm this?

That would swing me toward the Safecraft since the lap belt is what always gets lost under the drivers butt. I have a bungee attached to the lap belt latch which I imagine can be done for the Schroths, but its a tad awkward and having a loop built in would be ideal.

Is the cam on both the Schroth and Safecraft built into the sub belt?

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quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
It looks like the Schroths only have the bungee loops on the shoulder belts. Can anyone who actually has them confirm this?

That would swing me toward the Safecraft since the lap belt is what always gets lost under the drivers butt. I have a bungee attached to the lap belt latch which I imagine can be done for the Schroths, but its a tad awkward and having a loop built in would be ideal.

Is the cam on both the Schroth and Safecraft built into the sub belt?

Yes, the camlock is permanently attached to the sub-belt.

I ran a Lemons race this past weekend and used the GForce Pro FIA belts in the car. They stretched and slipped and never would get tight enough. I missed my Safecrafts!

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quote:
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Ryan, I installed two separate sub-belts, each with its own mounting points to accommodate 6'2" me and 5'0" wife. Mine is blue and her's is black. No need to adjust subs that way.

You're welcome.

Thats a somewhat acceptable solution for 2 drivers, but what if you have 4 or 5? Having 4 or 5 sub belts mounted in the car just isnt practical.

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Ryan:

The solution for 4 drivers is to use one or two sub belts and seat/back pads to get the drivers in the same relative seating position.

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What we did at Skippy's in the little formula cars where the sub belts were never changed between drivers... we twisted them up to tighten them. Not an ideal solution for sure and it won't make your legs longer or shorter but it is a simple way to take a couple inches out of your sub belt in a couple seconds.

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