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luckymiata76
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I've been running Hawk Blue's for a long time on my '99 and was thinking of trying the Hawk DTC60 pad at Blackhawk which is very hard on brakes.

I'd like some thoughts from those of you that have tried these. Also, what pads did you run in the back when running DTC60?

Thanks.

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Great pad, most of my customers that were on blue's have switched. Does not have the initial bite of the blue but easier to modulate, good wear and easy on rotors. I carry them in stock and sell quite alot. In the rear DTC-30.

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I've got the DTC-60's in the front and the HT-10's in the rear and I love the balance. I can trailbrake and rotate the car so much better than before with the blue/black setup. Rotor wear has been improved also. Modulation against lockup improved.

All around it's alot better setup in my opinion than the blue/blacks.

Hope that helps.

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I use the DTC-60 front and usually the DTC-30 rear. I switched the rears to HT-10's to see the difference...which wasn't much other than my rear end wiggled a little more under heavy braking into the hairpin at Sebring.

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I liked them but not enough to permanently switch from Blues to DTC-60's on my 1.6. They weren't as good as the Blues at 50% pad thickness. Seemed to require more pedal pressure, or transfer more heat to the backing plate, or whatever, because I've never bent a backing plate on Blues and the DTC's were distorted, but not truly tacoed, at 50%-ish wear.

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we run DTC 60 front and rear, only complaint is they are very soft compared to blues or cobalts. They wear out a lot faster but work very well.

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Maybe the wear rate is why I didn't like them once they got thin. Chicken or the egg? Either way, great if you can replace them often.

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How long do they last? 3 weekends is what I usually get out of my current front pads.

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My rear DTC-30's wore out 2x faster than my fronts...which made me look at the rear brakes. I raced 5 weekends and still had 2 race weekends of pad left on the fronts and replaced the rears after 4 weekends.

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??? Hmm and you guys are complaining about wear? okay next question, how many rotors did you go through with one set of pads ???

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DTC's don't grind down rotors like the Blues. They do put a lot of heat into the front rotor though which causes tiny heat cracks. I don't recall if this happens in the rear or not. This did not happen with the Blues. These heat cracks don't affect durability as they are just tiny surface cracks. Usually see this kind of stuff on other race cars, somewhat unusual on a Miata. Rotors are cheap, even Brembo, so I'm usually swapping front rotors about every other pad change anyway. Probably overkill but its what I do. About 4 weekends per set of Front pads is average for me. Rears will go 6-7 weekends typically. The DTC's are not as good longevity wise as the Blues but better than Carbotech for me. The better feel over the Blues is worth it, same firm pedal as the Blues, but much better threshold and trail braking with this setup for me.

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Good thoughts guys. It seems that there is a trade-off. Blues last longer but are somewhat difficult to modulate whereas DTC60's are easier to modulate, but wear faster. Does that sum it up?

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Still using the same rotors....

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The cobalts usually last me almost a whole season and I think they are better than anything out there

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any experience with the Raybestos ST43's?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mark:
DTC's don't grind down rotors like the Blues. They do put a lot of heat into the front rotor though which causes tiny heat cracks. I don't recall if this happens in the rear or not. This did not happen with the Blues. These heat cracks don't affect durability as they are just tiny surface cracks. Usually see this kind of stuff on other race cars, somewhat unusual on a Miata. Rotors are cheap, even Brembo, so I'm usually swapping front rotors about every other pad change anyway. Probably overkill but its what I do. About 4 weekends per set of Front pads is average for me. Rears will go 6-7 weekends typically. The DTC's are not as good longevity wise as the Blues but better than Carbotech for me. The better feel over the Blues is worth it, same firm pedal as the Blues, but much better threshold and trail braking with this setup for me.

A guy in my NASA paddock sells Hawk pads and he gave some seminars last year. He says when the cracks get to the edge of the rotor, then it's time to replace. Tiny cracks that don't extend to the edge of the rotor are OK. But for how cheap these Miata rotors are, better off safe and replace if there is any doubt. What you don't want is are hot bits of rotor shooting into the cabin.

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The transition from Blues front/Blacks rear to DTC's was great. No more on/off switch. Easy to modulate the DTC and I think getting a season out of them is fine.

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When the cracks are over an inch long and will easily catch a fingernail when cold I toss them.

Have used 2 sets of rotors for 1 set of front pads.
Have to learn not to use the brakes like Paul.

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