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CP Verified Driver
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The field gets whoa'd down by a full course caution. Several corners before the green, the car in front of you is slowing down. Either he's having mechanical issues or he's lagging back so as to get a run on the car in front of him. In my experience he usually times his restart wrong and the car in front pulls away from him and everybody behind the lagger.

If you're the car behind this guy and a gap is being created between his car and the car in front, is it legal to pass this yahoo before the green flag to catch up to the car in front of him, assuming that he's not "maintaining safety car speed?"

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Only if he's having a mechanical issue and pulls over. If he takes the start and it's obvious to the stewards that he doesn't have a problem, you'll get in trouble. Maybe better would be to bump him, just not in front of a flag stand.

I had this problem during an enduro start. An Alfa or Fiat IT car was like 100yards behind the car in front of him. I had the guys behind me wanting me to pass him. He did not have a mechanical, he was just lagging behind. It was one of the most frustrating starts I've ever had. It taught me never to be late to grid (the guys behind me were late too so we started from the back)

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No, but you could give them a subtle 'nudge'.

Very few things make me crazier on track than someone who won't close the gap on starts/restarts.

I feel your pain.

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quote:
Originally posted by d mathias:
No, but you could give them a subtle 'nudge'.

Very few things make me crazier on track than someone who won't close the gap on starts/restarts.

I feel your pain.

THE FURTHER BACK HE IS, THE FRIENDLIER THE NUDGE [Wink]

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What the rules say -

GCR 6.6.2 - Safety car procedures

".....Drivers must make every effort to safely catch the field
to form a single and evenly-spaced line behind the safety car...."


and then

"....A driver of a car that is disabled or cannot keep the pace should not hold
up the field. He must signal that his car is disabled by raising an arm,
pulling to the side of the course, and staying well off the racing line.
Other drivers may safely pass the signaling vehicle. A driver of a disabled
car should seek assistance at the nearest corner station, or pit at the first
opportunity...."


Where does that leave us ? -

Dropping back to get a jump on the green is not allowed, and is protestable by other drivers and official can impose penalties. It IS frustrating as hell (had it happen to me a lot in mixed-class racing), but unless the "slowee" gives the appropriate hand signal, you run the risk of being penalized if you drive around him before the green comes out.

A nudge from behind ? Again, the risk is yours...you can be penalized by officials, or protested by the "bumpee".

It's something that is covered at SCCA licensing schools, but it needs to be re-emphasized to all drivers regularly - "Listen, jackass...catch the pack, and keep up with the car in front of you".

If there is a Mr. Slow out there who routinely does the "leave a gap" thing, you should have no problem finding fellow annoyed drivers to fill out witness statements to support your protest of Mr. Slow.

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Related question;
How should you deal with SC situations during qualifying?

On a small track here a couple of years ago cars got scattered all over the lap to have room to qualify when the green came (it was actually only 3 laps left when the green came).
But the result was cars going "green" caught the cars still running under "yellow".

Maybe a situation you cannot avoid, but interesting example (I have not figured out how to avoid it, formally).

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If there is a full course yellow ("FCY")...when whatever issue created the FCY is cleaned up, the ENTIRE track should go back to green at the same time.

Generally, a safety car is not used during practice or qualifying. If there is an incident requiring a clean-up, the session is black-flagged.

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I had this happen where we have many only car in class situations, out with the mixed group that also contains SM.
it was an older guy, who had nobody to race with, so he just lagged back for whatever reason, about 100 yards.
there were quite a few SM cars that i was racing with, but ended up now seprated because of this idiot.
i came up along side of him several times and hand signaled and screamed to close the gap. he did not.
I was furious with the guy.
same guy also was so slow, and he was taking a line that was wide and chopping off the corner entry into the fastest turn, it was very dangerous. when i confronted him, he said word for word;
"maybe YOU are going to fast"
i scratched my head and laughed, and said "i thought that this was a racetrack"

if i could do it over agin i would have prefered a very "gentle nudge", i didnt think of that at the time, but will remember it.
i think the guy sold his car, advertised it as a class championship winning car that won 3 years in a row. he forgot to mention that he never had any other cars in his class in the ad.

[ 09-11-2010, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: fishguyaz ]

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I think that guy drives in every region in the country.

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I think giving them a nudge or pull up to his door and give him a visual sign that gets his ass in gear. All you can do is put pressure on him any way you can without passing, Or do like some guys do and pass on a yellow and take your chances.

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I've heard a Competition Director suggest what the OP suggested--treat him as a mechanical. Of course the CD didn't say how he'd actually rule!

If it was 100 yards and he didn't respond to the nudge, I'd pass him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Keith in WA:
I think that guy drives in every region in the country.

[Big Grin] [thumbsup]

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