Car #: 5
Year : 1991 Posts: 1029
Myself and three friends tried to run this past weekends LeMons race at GingerMan. We showed up with an actual sub $500 Saturn SC2 which promptly blew its engine after 6 laps of the Friday practice.
So the team owner drove to Elgin, IL (150 miles away) to buy another junkyard motor and brought it back. We then proceeded to install it, in the dark with flashlights and when we fired it up, low and behold it too was a bad engine (spun bearing).
So Saturday morning, we went to the organizer and told him our tale of woe and asked for a refund as we felt that we wouldn't be able to take the green. Unlike the SCCA, we were denied a refund and given a lecture. So if you decide to go to one of these races, you are "all in" the moment you mail that check. Their "No Refunds" policy starts right then and not with the green flag.
To finish the story, we drove back to Ann Arbor, pulled the engine, rebuilt another engine, installed the engine and then went back Sunday. The engine blew up 2.5 hours later.
I just wanted to warn you guys as I honestly didn't feel that this was a fair deal and I don't want anyone from this site to run into this. Your not dealing with the SCCA here !!
Region: NWR/Oregon; ICSCC
Car #: 70
Year : 1991 Posts: 1111
quote:Originally posted by Kyle Burkhardt: I think most groups won't issue a refund once your tires hit the track. That's just racing.
Not to defend LeMons specifically, but I agree. My experience is that you don't get a refund once you've been on track in the event, even if only for a practice session.
I suspect that a significant part of their expenses is insurance, and I suspect that insurance is, to a large extent, a function of car count. So, the minute you hit the track, they're out of pocket for insurance attributable to your participation.
Region: SF Nor Cal
Car #: #39
Year : 1990 Posts: 457
Practices are not part of the race, you pay extra to run the practice day. We had the same problem with a chump race. We were told that the race was being held on the big oval in So Cal. It ended up they only used the infield track. What a shame to drive all that ways and not race the NASCAR Oval. so we backed out. It was murder getting our money back.
-------------------- Al Angulo Auto Instructor Ford Senior Master Tech ASE Master Tech
Car #: #71
Year : 1990 Posts: 656
quote:Originally posted by Lance Snyder: This is the question that has to be answered. Was it a private track test day or was it an actual sanctioned LeMons day?
Actually, it doesn't matter! The LeMons rule is that once you've paid, you're all in.... no refunds whether you hit the track or not. You can hit the chicken out button to withdraw from the race, but the dough is gone. I commend your efforts, but I think the rule is laid out pretty clearly.
If you wanna run LeMons, make sure you have good spares or a cooler full of frosty beverages.
Car #: 5
Year : 1991 Posts: 1029
The Friday practice day was run by the track. The LeMons part of the weekend started on Saturday. So to my logic, since we had a broken car starting Saturday morning, tried very hard to fix it for the event on Friday night but were unsuccessful and then did not even present the car to tech on Saturday morning, we should have been given a refund.
That said, Eric is right. Their rules refer to not getting refunds ever but they are very cutesy and unclear with regards to the situation which I described. So all that I wanted to do is warn everyone that once you paid in LeMons, that's it. You are not getting your money back no matter what. So if you enter one of these, make sure that the car runs well and make sure that you have spares (and frosty beverages) before you send your check.
Also, don't ever try to run a Saturn SC2. They truly are junk. We only ran one because the car owner had six of them. You would think one would have had a good engine...