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Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
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Too late Janssen, I saw your smarty ass post. Just not soon enough to qoute it.

And it must have been my set up was off because I am SURE it absolutely had nothing to do with the driver. [Cool]

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MPR22
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quote:
Originally posted by Drago:
quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
yes, and in my book that old man should win almost everytime [Smile]

Tard
We are agreeing again! The old man can wheel a car! You have to admit, the NA was pretty good [Smile]
Jim [/QB]

Mr. Phillips could wheel a Radio Flyer with a weedeater engine faster than most SM pilots in full prep 99s.

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Michael Ross

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quote:
Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man:
Too late Janssen, I saw your smarty ass post. Just not soon enough to qoute it.

And it must have been my set up was off because I am SURE it absolutely had nothing to do with the driver. [Cool]

You snooze you lose. [Big Grin]

cnj
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quote:
Originally posted by MPR22:
quote:
Originally posted by Drago:
quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
yes, and in my book that old man should win almost everytime [Smile]

Tard
We are agreeing again! The old man can wheel a car! You have to admit, the NA was pretty good [Smile]
Jim

Mr. Phillips could wheel a Radio Flyer with a weedeater engine faster than most SM pilots in full prep 99s. [/QB]
Which is why it would be interesting to see what he could do in a top prep 1.6.

craig J

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian Ghidinelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
I do not judge the NB as a overdog by my performance (I am not that good).

But still you're spending your money with NASA this year as a sign of support for slowing down a car whose parity relative to your own has nothing to do with the year of the car but your own prep level and budget?
I have said over and over and over that I do not judge the overdog status by my prep or driving I look at those who are good drivers in well prepped cars that do not run where they did say in '07 or '08, those that own both well prepped 1.6 and 99 and run the 99 even at tracks they claim to 1.6 tracks and the large number of 99 builds by folks that have said if you want to have a hope of winning drive a 99.

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To me it seems as if those 1.6 drivers that can afford to build or purchase a new car are aquiring a 99. New racers if they can afford it are doing the same. Nobody seems to be selling any 99's, as evidenced on the classifieds, primarily 1.6 cars for sale with an occasional 1.8. I applaud NASA's willingness to attempt to level the playing field, although I do have concerns on how they have gone about it, but I don't think any of the current 99 owners need to panic, as I am sure that adjustments will be made, and hopefully early enough, and fair enough as to not alienate either the 99 drivers or the 1.6 drivers.
I can't afford to replace my 1.6, and just hope that it remains competitive.

Dave Armstrong
SM #66

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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Lessons learned from reading this discussion:

1. Always build the lightest car you can.
-- Ballast goes in and out as easily pencil is added and erased from a rulebook.

2. Don't get fat.
-- I can't even count on my fat fingers and fat toes the ways it creates disadvantages.

3. Clubs and businesses are different (kinda).
-- Businesses try to make their product appeal to the largest number of customers possible to maximize profit. Clubs don't and then wonder why they run out of money or become irrelevant.

4. SpecMiata is now two different classes sanctioned by two different organizations using the same brand name.
-- The smart ones knew this was inevitable several years ago.
-- One side will be dominated by expensive cars, the other by cheap ones. One side will be more fun. The other side will become irrelevant.

5. SpecMiata.com is an enduring brand.
-- Businesses strive to create powerful brands like this.

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Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

cnj
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Kent, you sure know how to win me over. I believe you just told me I am a killjoy and about to be irrelevant. I am so depressed I think I better go spend some more money on my 99 so I feel better.

Craig J

Blake Clements Verified Driver Series Champ
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quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
Lessons learned from reading this discussion:

1. Always build the lightest car you can.
-- Ballast goes in and out as easily pencil is added and erased from a rulebook.

2. Don't get fat.
-- I can't even count on my fat fingers and fat toes the ways it creates disadvantages.

3. Clubs and businesses are different (kinda).
-- Businesses try to make their product appeal to the largest number of customers possible to maximize profit. Clubs don't and then wonder why they run out of money or become irrelevant.

4. SpecMiata is now two different classes sanctioned by two different organizations using the same brand name.
-- The smart ones knew this was inevitable several years ago.
-- One side will be dominated by expensive cars, the other by cheap ones. One side will be more fun. The other side will become irrelevant.

5. SpecMiata.com is an enduring brand.
-- Businesses strive to create powerful brands like this.

Interesting post. As far as being irrelevant, something I recently read comes to mind.

An article on Graham Rahal's history and new ride with Chip Ganassi racing specifically mentioned him winning the SCCA Runoffs on this professional motorsports website.

I just don't see that kind of press for the more relevant side?

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are. I can buy a 5 dollar trophy if I need one [Smile]

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Blake Clements

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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:

5. SpecMiata.com is an enduring brand.
-- Businesses strive to create powerful brands like this.

I just bumped your "Donor" Award to "Make it Rain" at Mazda Racers; Priceless!

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Mike
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Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
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quote:
Originally posted by cnj:
Kent, you sure know how to win me over. I believe you just told me I am a killjoy and about to be irrelevant. I am so depressed I think I better go spend some more money on my 99 so I feel better.

Craig J

You can throw some my way if it will make you feel any better.

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Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
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quote:
Originally posted by Blake Clements:
quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
Lessons learned from reading this discussion:

1. Always build the lightest car you can.
-- Ballast goes in and out as easily pencil is added and erased from a rulebook.

2. Don't get fat.
-- I can't even count on my fat fingers and fat toes the ways it creates disadvantages.

3. Clubs and businesses are different (kinda).
-- Businesses try to make their product appeal to the largest number of customers possible to maximize profit. Clubs don't and then wonder why they run out of money or become irrelevant.

4. SpecMiata is now two different classes sanctioned by two different organizations using the same brand name.
-- The smart ones knew this was inevitable several years ago.
-- One side will be dominated by expensive cars, the other by cheap ones. One side will be more fun. The other side will become irrelevant.

5. SpecMiata.com is an enduring brand.
-- Businesses strive to create powerful brands like this.

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are. I can buy a 5 dollar trophy if I need one [Smile]
Me too. In my second year in SM I was on the pole at a NASA race at MSRH. It took me two more years after that before I could do the same in the SCCA.

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Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by Blake Clements:
quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
Lessons learned from reading this discussion:

1. Always build the lightest car you can.
-- Ballast goes in and out as easily pencil is added and erased from a rulebook.

2. Don't get fat.
-- I can't even count on my fat fingers and fat toes the ways it creates disadvantages.

3. Clubs and businesses are different (kinda).
-- Businesses try to make their product appeal to the largest number of customers possible to maximize profit. Clubs don't and then wonder why they run out of money or become irrelevant.

4. SpecMiata is now two different classes sanctioned by two different organizations using the same brand name.
-- The smart ones knew this was inevitable several years ago.
-- One side will be dominated by expensive cars, the other by cheap ones. One side will be more fun. The other side will become irrelevant.

5. SpecMiata.com is an enduring brand.
-- Businesses strive to create powerful brands like this.

Interesting post. As far as being irrelevant, something I recently read comes to mind.

An article on Graham Rahal's history and new ride with Chip Ganassi racing specifically mentioned him winning the SCCA Runoffs on this professional motorsports website.

I just don't see that kind of press for the more relevant side?

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are. I can buy a 5 dollar trophy if I need one [Smile]

Blake, I don't know which 'side' will become irrelevant. It is possible that both will, a la ChampCar/IRL. The Runoffs were once the premier amateur road racing event in the world, with serious TV coverage and sponsors and all that. Now, SCCA can't even pay enough to get it on TV but I can watch lawnmower racing and school bus demolition derby on Speed. [Roll Eyes]

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Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Steven Holloway Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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[Roll Eyes] Wondering what SRF is like...

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quote:
Originally posted by Blake Clements:

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are.

Best of what? Hobby racers? The "best" racers long ago stopped running club sports car races. When the Captain or Chip calls you for ride, let us know.

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Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Stevens:
quote:
Originally posted by Blake Clements:

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are.

Best of what? Hobby racers? The "best" racers long ago stopped running club sports car races. When the Captain or Chip calls you for ride, let us know.
Blake was pretty clear. Best of the "club racers", however good you think that is. None of us are pros obviously.

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Blake Clements Verified Driver Series Champ
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Stevens:
quote:
Originally posted by Blake Clements:

Relevant or not, I'll be racing where the best drivers are.

Best of what? Hobby racers? The "best" racers long ago stopped running club sports car races. When the Captain or Chip calls you for ride, let us know.
I have a job, thanks for the vote of confidence though. [Wink]

I plan my schedule around racing at the best tracks and best drivers in SM ( is that good Mr. Stevens?) because of my limited schedule. That isn't changing anytime soon.

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Blake Clements

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Drago Verified Driver Made Donation to Website Series Champ
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I am going to send a couple of 37mm plates to Homestead, Chip VanVurst and Pat Sandlin have volunteered to run an STU in a timed session at 2390/37 mm plate to see how the times compare. I didn't think of it last week or I would have tried myself as we just screwed around in STU anyway.
Someone else did this test at Sebring, I was unaware of it until yesterday and I was asked to keep the reults confidential, so I will honor that agreement. Curious to see how the results come out at Homestead.
Jim

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Jim Drago
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Jim Blaisdell
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The 2011 NASA Rules:

Isn't the proposed 99-00 car weights 2390 lbs. not 2400???

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Thanks Jim, corrected my post. Most likely a moot point as it appears STU and SM are in same group at Homestead.
Jim

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