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Frank Todaro
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I did a search and could not find anything current on recommendations for a fire suit. I have looked at the options and in general I am thinking of a 1 piece two layer suit. I am thinking it will cost 600-900. I am looking for comfort mostly after I have the protection issue covered. I notice that IMPACT has some nice comfort features in the arms and chest. Anyway looking for specification recommendations and experiences whit suit comfort, heat and so on. Any suggestions appreciated.

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Look for a 3-layer on closeout at one of the usual websites, or call them direct. I got a $1300 Sparco for $600 last year.

FWIW, the LICO line is junk. I got one of those suits and sent it back because it was the consistency of a funiture pad.

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my gforce 545 is very nice

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Look on ebay for used suits. I use a G-force 545 and an OMP 2 layer that I bought on ebay.

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There will probably be as many preferences as people.

Definately get a one piece. I'd go with SFI 3.2A/5 or FIA for the level of protection. FIA rated is a bit better.

Lighter suits that offer that level of protection can help keep you cooler. That normally comes at a higher price.

Features are all over the map. A number of them will have a shape and/or stretchy bits to fit well while you're driving...arms, legs, waist, neck, etc.

I prefer the pant stlye cuff legs. I just think it protects my ankles better.

A zipper that opens both up and down is nice for reasons I won't explain.

I'm not really sure what epauletts are for. They might protect your suit from wear. They might add some padding. They make your shoulders look buffer I guess and I suppose you could tuck your gloves in them. Everyone seems to advertize the features of their epaullets though.

The shinier fabrics don't seem to fade as quickly. I've been recommended against getting black since it looks dingy when it starts to fade. My red suit looks pretty dingy once it started to fade though too.

The off season is a great time to buy them since they close out last years styles.

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Epaulets are there for the rescue workers to pull you from the car (probably more for open wheel). I like the one piece, but I have friends who wear the 2 piece and love being able to take off the jacket in the heat. Remember if you get a SFI 3.2A/1 you will have to wear fire resistant underwear.

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I don't know if you're on a budget but in case you are here's what I did. I had several veteran racers recommend a two layer suite but I wound up buying a single layer suite and adding underwear instead. At the last minute before ordering I found a web site that discussed single layer vs. two layer (sorry, forgot the link). It pointed out how fabrics like CarbonX offer a lot more protection than less expensive fabrics. Multi-layer CarbonX suites are very expensive but it turns out CarbonX underwear is affordable. If someone is on a budget and is looking at purchasing a two-layer suite made from a lesser fabric it's possible to gain more overall protection by purchasing a single-layer suite made from the same lesser material and then buying CarbonX underwear to go underneath. This has to do with how the protection factors of the individual layers add up to the overall protection. I bought from SafeRacer and was able to buy a lesser material, single layer suite from a certain manufacturer, together with CarbonX long johns and long sleeve tee shirt for very close to the same price as a lesser material two piece suite from the same manufacturer. The nice thing about this approach is later on you can always upgrade to a two layer suite and keep the underwear. Then you have three layers.

Also, when it comes time to practice emergency exits it's possible to really tear up some clothes. If you have a one piece set of mechanics overalls that are the same bulkiness as your suite I'd recommend wearing the overalls instead. Same if you have an old helmet lying around that's the same size and style (open vs. closed face) since a helmet can get easily scratched squeezing through those small Miata windows.

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Go here.. if you don't mind being a walking billboard or used once suits.. They are the Sprint Nextel cup racers and crew suits and uniforms..

http://www.raceimage.com

Click on Saturdaynight racers tab..

You can luck up on some good bargins and pricing
they sell suits by Sparco, Simpson, Puma, Impact and I think they might
had one Addidas (too short for me). They sell the SFI rated suits, and are pretty clearly marked. They range in
price of 100 to 1000 dollars, the 3 to 5 layer
is about 250 to 750. As long as you are cool
with Northern Tool, Crown Royal, Aflac, Viagra
or 360 (jeremy methfield) on your chest, then
you are fine.
Just get a significant other to get your sizes
waist,chest and inseam and match it to what
is in stock.

[ 11-30-2009, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: fleming ]

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My friends that wear the 2 piece suits all got them from Raceimage.com.

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Wow, some cheap new gloves in there as well. cool find.

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keep the address.. there are some cool finds
shoes, and gloves (new) as well as the suits.
Here's another one.
http://www.vasracingsuits.com
he's the NY/New England's best kept secret,
I bought my new Bell helmet $200 less from
him than OG racing. Victor does make custom
racing suits, really good quality. $225-500.

The prices you can't beat for the money...

One more thing, don't buy a white suit, if
you are a little "fluffy" or barrel chested
it makes it worse. Honestly, it makes you
look like the Michelinman.

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Taking off my driver hat and putting on my corner-worker hat. Communication to the corner workers that you've seen a flag is real important. Some drivers nod and some use hand gestures. For the latter case the cockpit can be suprisingly dark making hand gestures hard to see if the driver is wearing black gloves. Bright red, orange or yellow gloves are easiest to see. Same thing holds true when gesturing to other drivers.

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Plus one on victor vas. I have one of his suits (in white btw)

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Thanks for the input and web tips, exactly what I was looking for hard to make decisions on personal gear going through manufacturers adds. One more question I was leaning toward the one piece vs two piece is the conventional wisdom that the one piece have a higher safety margin? I assume both are acceptable just personal preference.

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Most of us don't like the idea of the jacket riding up in a fire so we go with a one piece. Both are acceptable from a SFI and GCR stand point. There are hundreds of drag racers and circle track guys and a few road racers wearing them so you wouldn't be alone. Great site for inexpensive carbon-x underwear. http://www.safetysupplysouth.com/index.aspx?Command=GroupInfo&GroupID=9932

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Copied from Undies Link

Moderator please feel free to put this where it makes the most sense and kill my other post.

Sorry for the duplicate post but I am sure lot's of us have the same questions. Maybe we can work up some kind of "Acceptable List" or "Price GuidLine List" for "Protective Clothing"



I wonder if we can continue this thread to discuss Suits and underwear.

After several seasons with a single layer suit and nomex underwear I am looking for replacement/upgrade.

Carbon X: Is it more comfortable or less comfortable than Nomex. Comments from any one that has used it?

Is wool or drifire underwear and socks legal?
Any Feedback from a Tech Inspectpor?

Some suits now have Carbon x as the inside layer which sounds great along with some Carbon x undies. This seems great for protection?? How about comfort.

The drifire properties from the link above are:
•No Melt, No Drip
•No After-flame
•Charlength is 3.5 inches
•Thermal Protective Property (TPP) is > 7 cal/cm2

So that is 3.5 seconds (I think).

The TPP seems to be the best measure for safety but not all suits list this spec.


I am thinking about a 2 layer suit with one layer of FR underwear (Carbon X or Nomex or wool?) (so the underwear gets stinly and not the suit). Also want stuff that wicks moisture.

I would like to purchace a new suit to be on the safe side of things.

Is this the correct thread or should this question be moved or consolidated to another.

Thanks

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Didn't see this thread.

At PRI I looked at the Sparco ICE underwear and plan on buying a balaclava from that line. It wicks and gives off a menthol vapor to cool the skin. I wear Simpson Carbon-x socks and they are soft and comfortable. I was trying to find the TPP on Alpinestar suits, but no luck.

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Cliffy Chains wears a SFI rated leopard skin thong!!! Come to Sebring I am sure it will be on display. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Gatoratty:
Great site for inexpensive carbon-x underwear. http://www.safetysupplysouth.com/index.aspx?Command=GroupInfo&GroupID=9932

Paul, Do these undies have the SFI tag or have you had any problem going through tech?
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From undies post, but applicable here:

For SFI 3.2A/5 suit, the minimum TPP value is 19, or roughly 10 seconds before 2nd degree burns are incurred. FIA suits offer a TPP just under SFI 3.2/10, or about 19 seconds of protection. No one will give an exact rating for underwear because fit and air pockets between layers make a difference, but a good set of SFI 3.3 or FIA approved underwear can extend your TPP rating.

Also at PRI was Charles Espenlaub's Sparco suit that he was wearing during the Enduro fire last month. Three layer suit, outer layers worked perfectly and the inner layer was intact. He was wearing full underwear, too. Others have specific details, but about 20 seconds in the flames, plus fuel on the suit burned after he exited. Burns mostly in hand and wrist area and on cheek above balaclava...another important piece not to be overlooked.

The budget factor comes into play, but buy the best you can afford...FIA and SFI3.2A/5 for me, with carbonX underneath (I must say the minty undies did smell nice). No under armour style fabrics....

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Johnny, I have an SFI 3.2A/5 suit so the underwear isn't a required item....so no tech issues. Mike thanks for the PM on the TPP.

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