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Steve McMorn
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Hi Guys

HNY!

My name is Steve from Philly, and after a few years of AX & DE, I am planning to do my race license in march and race SSM in 2010

In preparation for this, I need a new helmet and was planning on getting a HJC Si-12 for approx $700 as many of my DE friends have them. However, after reading this forum and seeing that I can get a saferacer discount, I went to their website to buy the Si-12 .... but see they have a special on Simpson stingray helmets - originally $599, now down to $299

Originally the Simpson was 599 - about 100 less than the Si12 at 700 ... but now that it is reduced to 299 .... which is a $400 difference .... or to put it another way, about 2.66 spec miata tyres

I have googled Simpson stingray v Si12 but no luck .... so do you gys have any thoughts or advice??

Do I go with what I know or save $400 which can be used for other racing stuff?? website links added below


Cheers
Steve


http://www.saferacer.com/simpson-stingray-helmet.html?productid=1806

http://www.saferacer.com/hjc-motorsports-si-12-aut...elmet.html?productid=1195

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Steve McMorn
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Steve,
I would try a number of different MFGs on some place and see which one fits best and then go from there. Simpsons good but does it fit your head shape? You need to live with it. Are you going to wear a HANS now or in the future? [twocents]
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Steve,

My Bell Sport helmet was five years old, so I asked the wife for a helmet for the holidays (I purchase, she wraps and puts in under the tree). We went for the Stingray sale at Saferacer, and I was very impressed by how light the Simpson is vs. my Bell. It was also nice that the Stingray was pre-drilled for my Hans devise. First race is in a few weeks in Phoenix and I just lost a pound at least in weight! Now I just have to work on the 30 pound reduction in my tummy.

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I really like my HJC Si-12. The black rubberized finish is a little bit delicate but other than that the helmet has served me very well.

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FWIW, I have the HJC AR-10. It's a really light helmet for the price. It's priced in the range of the Simpson. <$300.

Todd

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When are SNELL SA 2010 helmets coming out?

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i don't think SA2010 helmets are expected before september, or at least that's what some piece of advertising i got recently stated (saferacer?).

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Steve from Philly -
The Simpson helmet is 3.5 pounds (depends on your size), while the HJC Si-12 is lighter than helmets that cost twice as much, at an even 3 pounds. With that said, the Simpson is lighter than most and as light as anything else under $1000.

Comes down to personal fit, although I love the HJC Si-12 value for its weight. I own every brand and helmet mentioned here, and I wear my Simpson for fit.

As for SA2010, only one manufacturer has its models ready, and we can't even buy them until sometime later this year.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like.

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+1 on personal fit. Some helmets seem designed around spherical heads. Others longer narrower heads. If you get one that's designed for a shape different than your head you'll be miserable. Good news is every brand I've ever used seems to be consistant across their models and applications (cycling, skiing, motorcycle, car...) so even if you can try on the brand but not the specific model you'll have a pretty good idea how the other models fit.

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Keith is right. We can try helmets on at the shop, blindfolded, and tell what brand they are by the fit and the manufacturing smell.

Last year at the PRI show, we tried on a helmet from a "new" manufacturer....they confessed it was a private labeled HJC after we tried it on and said "Hey! This fits exactly like an HJC."

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Back to the question on rules for helmet and when SNELL 2010 will be required. According to the 2010 GCR in section 9.3.20.C.2, we are still allowed SA 2000 helmets for another year. Looking forward to the SA 2010's coming out because my helment is getting gross inside. I really like my Simpson Voyger with the large eye port but would be nice to be able to remove and wash the padding.

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Keith and Mike are giving you the best advice. Try on the helmet first if you can..then look for price. I wear an Arai GP5-W. It fits great with no fatigue and I know I am buying a helmet that is made with the best materials and workmanship. I tried on helmets at PRI the last two years.....some fit okay, some not, and some fit great.

This is from the Snell Foundation FAQ...."While helmets are primarily a protective device, the true protective capabilities of a helmet, if needed will only come into play for about 2 to 4 milliseconds during the lifetime of the helmet. This leaves a lot of time for that helmet to be doing nothing more than sitting around on a users head. Producing a product that meets the standards is not really very difficult. Producing a helmet that people will buy and wear, and will consistently meet the standards is significantly more difficult. The Snell standards do not measure factors like comfort, ventilation, brand recognition or style, and only indirectly look at fit, weight, materials and workmanship. These are factors that frequently drive helmet cost. "

http://www.smf.org/faqs.html#14

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Everyone above has covered some of the product specifics, but on the Snell SA10 helmets - manufacturers are not allowed to sell the new helmets until October 2010, so another 9-10 months before available for purchase.

SA10 helmets will not be "required" for another 5 years. Almost all sanctioning bodies allow SA05 helmets to be used for 5 years after the newest, ie SA10, become available.

Hope that helps, if not, you can give me or Mike a shout and we'll be glad to help out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Unsafe:
Keith is right. We can try helmets on at the shop, blindfolded, and tell what brand they are by the fit and the manufacturing smell.

Last year at the PRI show, we tried on a helmet from a "new" manufacturer....they confessed it was a private labeled HJC after we tried it on and said "Hey! This fits exactly like an HJC."

That's even more amusing considering that some of the HJC helmets were licensed copies of Schuberth designs.

Steve McMorn
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Thanks for all of the advice guys

I eventually (ie yesterday) bought the Simpson helmet from saferacer (using my 10% discount) ...... and used all of the money I saved compared to the HJC to buy a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff such as black & white chequered tape, HANS helmet bag, t-shirts and even a helmet hook that bolts onto the roll cage!

Now signed up for WDCR SCCA double race school in mid-March -- hope to see some of you there and even more of you on the track sometime soon

Cheers
SM

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quote:
Originally posted by cam:
When are SNELL SA 2010 helmets coming out?

September 2010

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John Mueller
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