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John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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SoCal NASA will be invading the California Speedway ROval in over four-weeks time...
Who's planing on going? REGISTER

SoCal NASA will also be running a "Test & Tune" day on July 31st for $149 (great track time value).

I am also working on securing garages for those who what them... Nothing is set yet, I'll post when something is.

To ensure our run group we must have 30+ SM/SSM's registered by end-of-day Friday, July 24nd... This will allow us to make our own choices on how we want our weekend run (like Qual race on Sunday).

Holla one time [thumbsup]

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HWJunkie
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I am signed up. Hopefully we get enough cars to get our own group!

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Repairs continue. I won't know until after the deadline.

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Going to miss this one, heading to Tahiti for 10 days. [Cool]

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I'll be in NYC. Have fun y'all!

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ethan

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by Eric Richter:
Going to miss this one, heading to Tahiti for 10 days. [Cool]

Eric, you have your priorities all honked-up [Big Grin]

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Its not me, its my wife. I tried telling her that Fontana in August really isn't that different than Tahiti.

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John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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GARAGE UPDATE:
I'm pleased to announce that Weekend-Racer.com will once again be sponsoring garage spaces for early SM/SSM registrants for this event.

To get one just be one of the first 20 drives to register no later than SUNDAY, JULY 19th.

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I'm signed up, but i don't need a garage (although thanks for providing them!) What's the car count so far?

Jeremy Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by jeremybarnes:
I'm signed up, but i don't need a garage (although thanks for providing them!) What's the car count so far?

Jeremy Barnes
YellowSM #14

Don't need a garage? How does someone turn down a free garage? I'll take Jeremy's!

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Rob Gibson
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John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by jeremybarnes:
I'm signed up, but i don't need a garage (although thanks for providing them!) What's the car count so far?

Jeremy Barnes
YellowSM #14

So far only seven...

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John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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Well we only have 13 cars so I suspect we'll be running with the Honda Challenge guys...

The below drivers qualify for a free Garage, please let me know if you want one and who you'd like to be next to:

Tyler Vance
Ryan Ellis
Marc Simon
Jeremy Barnes
brandon johnson
Jonathan Christian
Tim Bonney
AJ Patrick
Grant Westmoreland
Robert Cunningham
Clement Lee

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I should be coming as well. Will anyone be there selling tires? I'd appreciate contact info if anyone knows.
-CJ

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-CJ Johnson

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by seege:
I should be coming as well. Will anyone be there selling tires? I'd appreciate contact info if anyone knows.
-CJ

FROM THE REGISTRATION PAGE:

Tires available from Brian Shackelford of Toyo's Only. Avoid the rush, pre-order your tires now! (480)421-8270 or toyosonly@yahoo.com.

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Thanks John

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-CJ Johnson

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My buddy's looking to rent a car for this event. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
-Mark

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Drennan:
My buddy's looking to rent a car for this event. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
-Mark

Mark;
Have your bud call Louis at RUSH Motorsports (619-562-1801), he may have a car.

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John,

Just saw your note. Ryan Ellis, (driving Sammy V's car) will gladly take the garage, thankyou very much Weekend-Racer.com!

Jim Ellis

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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Sure thing

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Jonathan Christian Verified Driver
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john, have an updated drivers list?

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Hope you guys have a safe and fast weekend! See u all at Miller!

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I left before they posted the results of the Sunday race, does anyone have the results?

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Marc Simon

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by HWJunkie:
I left before they posted the results of the Sunday race, does anyone have the results?

Marc;
The results will be up on MYLAPS.COM by Wednesday... NASA will be sending one of the competitors ECU out to tested. So, PER NASA (POST INSPECTION) finishing positions may change for Saturday but not Sunday. Regardless, great racing (though Saturday was a tad messy) [Wink]

BTW: The ECU swap was brought to me @ 9:30am on Sunday by SoCal NASA tech... Tech wanted me to identify several same year cars for them to perform the swap. I was present only to observe and ensure it was done as fair as possible, which I feel it was.

[soapbox]

I can promise that SoCal Post-Race inspection will continue and become more aggressive at the coming events. SoCal NASA is not out to single any driver/owner/shop out, but their perception is that several cars are exceeding "playing in the gray" and they'd like it to end. If a car is 'built outside the SM rules' NASA has the PT Class for it and the racing is good.

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So what happened this weekend? Messy Saturday? Pulling ECUs? Am I donating to rebuild another car? I wanna know the scoop.

Sorry, since I missed the weekend celebrating my wife's birthday in Vegas, I have to live vicariously through all of you. (By the way, I spent the same amount regardless)

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Likewise. I spent it hammering and swearing at a bent upper control arm bolt.

I'd like to hear details!

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Way to go John. [thumbsup] That's one thing I noticed when I went down there, a serious lack of tech.

John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by Sean Allen:
Way to go John. [thumbsup] That's one thing I noticed when I went down there, a serious lack of tech.

Sean;
I think it was more the fact it was 120 degrees in the shade @ BWRP... Tech was there to check to see if the drivers still had a pulse!!

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John, if there is an issue with the ecu, shouldn't sundays results be affected as well? the car in question did qualify with that ecu.

Saturday's start was a bit messy coming into turn 3(the turn coming off the oval). Bob Cunningham was helped around and went spinning mid-pack into the braking zone, a few cars tapped doors avoiding him but no serious damage to any cars as far as i know. There were a few tire barriers that jumped in front of a few people however [fight] .

[thumbsup] for clement winning sundays race, there was a great 4 car battle for 3rd place, [thumbsup] for close clean racing!

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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Burgoon:
Likewise. I spent it hammering and swearing at a bent upper control arm bolt.

I'd like to hear details!

Use a sawzall and get to it in the small gap between the UCA and the subframe. Cut on the side of the UCA that's as close to the bend as possible. We had the same problem with a bent bolt and this worked pretty well.

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DUPLICATE POST.

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John Mueller Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Christian:
John, if there is an issue with the ecu, shouldn't sundays results be affected as well? the car in question did qualify with that ecu.

I'm just repeating what I heard in the Tech area, Robert and Ryan were not present... I assume I will be made aware of what the ruling will be once the results of the ECU test is completed.

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Mylaps has results posted.

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It doesn't look like anyone was DQ'd. What was all the commotion about?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sean Allen:
It doesn't look like anyone was DQ'd. What was all the commotion about?

There was an ECU that was confiscated by Tech, it will be tested by a 3rd party... My understanding is that results are not official yet.

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Who's ECU was confiscated?

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I don't feel comfortable publicaly announcing who's it was seeing that we are not sure if the ECU has been altered or not (that is why Mazada is going to test it).

The court of public opinion can alter a reputation even if the allegation is not true. I'd prefer to wait till we know.

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From what I understand it was a random swap. Or was there an actual allegation regarding a particular competitor?

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quote:
Originally posted by John Mueller:
I don't feel comfortable publicaly announcing who's it was seeing that we are not sure if the ECU has been altered or not (that is why Mazada is going to test it).

The court of public opinion can alter a reputation even if the allegation is not true. I'd prefer to wait till we know.

Classy move John. Don't anyone say anything until the results are in.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
From what I understand it was a random swap. Or was there an actual allegation regarding a particular competitor?

SoCal NASA Tech & Race Directors requested the swap and asked me to identify same year cars for them to impound & swap post Sundays Qual session. Tech then picked the cars from the list I provided. In this case 99's were looked at; there were five at the event four were impounded.

[soapbox]
Most SoCal SM drivers know the dynamics of our paddock and are aware of the rivalries between "camps", which should be a good thing. However, if accusations from one camp toward another is consistently acted upon it gets viewed as favoritism... So, however this situation concludes, I hope the years of speculation will be answered sufficiently so we can just go racing & have fun. [twocents]

Dang, I've been up on that box a lot the last few days.

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Way to go Ryan [thumbsup]

Not bad for an East Coaster

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian Cates:
Way to go Ryan [thumbsup]

Not bad for an East Coaster

[thumbsup]

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The ecu in question was placed in another competitors car and the result was a car that did not run properly. The rev limiter was no longer working and the motor would cut out at about 115 mph(which was clearly visible from the grand stands when the car suddenly fell back).

John, i want to clarify something, their is no favoritism or hassling of any one competitor. When a car is clearly in violation of the rules; has been caught cheating on several occasions and is currently(or was) on suspension for cheating(in another organization), one has to question the legitimacy of that persons car. When they continue to 'push the limits' and bring a car that is clearly not within the rules, they will be monitored more closely by their competitors. Im not sure how i see this as being favoritism [Confused]

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I'm a little unclear how an ECU mod that makes the motor cut out at 115mph on a track where top speeds regularly exceed 120 is an advantage. That's not to say that it would be legal. If the ECU turns out to have been modified, of course it would be illegal. But as far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to cheat to make their car slower, have at it! What's next: a protest against someone who swaps out the stock motor for a hamster wheel?

I have to be missing something here. At least I hope I am.

And come on Jonathan, quit exaggerating. This was a NASA race. No one was in the stands watching! [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Gibscreen:
I'm a little unclear how an ECU mod that makes the motor cut out at 115mph on a track where top speeds regularly exceed 120 is an advantage. That's not to say that it would be legal. If the ECU turns out to have been modified, of course it would be illegal. But as far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to cheat to make their car slower, have at it! What's next: a protest against someone who swaps out the stock motor for a hamster wheel?

I have to be missing something here. At least I hope I am.

And come on Jonathan, quit exaggerating. This was a NASA race. No one was in the stands watching! [Smile]

I can only speculate as to why it would cut out when swapped so i will wait until we get official results before i start throwing my ideas out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Christian:
... I'm not sure how i see this as being favoritism [Confused]

Good points Jonathan and I agree completely, but only to a point... Since I was not racing with you guys what I saw from the stands on Saturday warranted some sort of action/investigation, and so did SoCal NASA Tech...

Problems arise when impound/tear-down/swaps occurs solely based on reputation or accusations In essence, I think it would be bad if we started witch hunting... Who'd be next? Hmmm, don't you win often? [Big Grin] [duck]

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In theory couldn't the ecu be wired to another piece of software that could remap the af mixture at a set speed to compensate for the additional airflow? And if your ecu was not connected to the additional software because it was in another car, couldn't then cause the misfire because it couldn't find the software? I would market it as a "piggyback gizmo" but I'm just a funeral director
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31st in the nation. If I could keep the car on the track and put on the oil cap I could be in the top 20.

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If the ECU swap didn't take place until after qualifying on Sunday did someone get stuck with a less than perfect ECU for the Sunday race? Was a session added to allow for on track testing with the swapped ECU's? Finding out the ECU you were handed was bad during the race would bite big time.

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[scratchchin] Was Andrew Fernadaz at the track again....

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Hey all, first off I would like to thank everyone from the SoCal region for great racing and a great weekend. The track was amazing and the racing was pretty clean. Congrats to Clement Lee for a great run on Sunday and running me clean all race...he beat me fair and square and I had a great time running with him.
By now most people (if not everyone) know that the #77, the car driven but not owned by myself was the car whose ECU was taken after Sunday's qualifying and sent out after Sunday's race...
On Saturday, I did win overall after bumpdrafting with the #4 car of Drew Staveley the whole race. I want to thank him for running me clean and we had a great race. Clement Lee was hard on the charge and nearly caught us at the end and it was a close race between the three of us time-wise with all of us having a fast-lap within 3 tenths of a second.
Sunday, the ECU swap occurred and the car definitely picked up a lot under throttle response with the new ECU ( and I managed to run with Clement ( a great smooth driver) and turn the fastest lap and fell short of the win by less than a tenth and a half!
It was a lot of fun coming out there and racing with everyone and although the final results have not been posted I would just like to thank everyone for a clean race.

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Do I understand this correctly.... Car A and B swap ECUs. The car that runs slower on Sunday gets the ECU taken for checks and the car that runs faster doesn't get that ECU checked. Am I alone in thinking this is backwards.....

 
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