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Jerry Cabe Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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OK, I'm confused (not too unusual).

Reading the December FastTrack makes me believe the SM Compliance Fee for 2008 is dead.

Under the November 5, 2007 Board Minutes (with 13 BOD's attending) - "Motion: That the Board recind approval of the Spec Miata Compliance fee (Christian/Sheridan) PASSED Unanimous"

I was happy when I read this and even sent a Thank You letter to the BOD & CRB because I had been so vocal against the Compliance Fee.

Now I receive communication from our divisional Board Member summarizing the BOD face-to-face meeting held November 29 - December 2nd.

"The Spec Miata Compliance Fee was revisited and again was passed. This fee is $10 per car for regional and national race Spec Miata’s. It was explained that a bulk of the fee was to be used to train area Tech Inspectors and provide tools, so that better compliance could be assured starting at the Regional level and continuing on to the National level and finally to the RunOffs which has had very good compliance checking for the past two years. This compliance fee includes Spec Racer (has been in effect for years) and Formula SCCA."

While I haven't confirmed that this is correct, I don't see too many ways to mis-interpret this report. It sounds like the fee is back. And by the same body that had done away with it less than a month earlier (unanimously!). Can anybody else confirm the recent actions of the BOD on this subject?

Jerry

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I read the same things you did and reached the same conclusion, Jerry.

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Jerry:
I also disagree, but as I see it, it's a tax. And like most taxes this one is targeted where it will generate the most revinue. One look at the the typical event SM car counts and that becomes obvious to me.
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Well that's remarkably unfair. They didn't decide to collect $ then choose SM, there were requests from our ranks to improve tech this way. Like it or not, they were being responsive to membership who took the time to get involved.

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Just a thought, but how many drivers have considered switching to SSM because of the compliance fee? Personally I consider it a donation to National. I don't believe we will see any benefit at the regional level. Just my $.02

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We don't have SSM in this area, but even if we did I wouldn't go there specifically to avoid the compliance fee.

I'll take an "innocent until proven guilty" stance on this.

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My 2 cents...
It seemed like the leaders of spec tire discussions run regionals where tires are open for the most part... [scratchchin] Now, so many asked for more tech and when we get it for what amounts to less than lunch at the track, we complain.. Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemy, I don't mind the nominal fee if it does nothing more than insure one car per division pushed into compliance. [Big Grin]

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OK... Just so I understand.

To make sure we are compliant I now cannot afford to buy lunch at the track.

Sorry Jim... I could not resist.

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It's all part of my 2008 weight loss program

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quote:
Originally posted by Jim Drago:
My 2 cents...
It seemed like the leaders of spec tire discussions run regionals where tires are open for the most part... [scratchchin]

Causal hop, skip, and leap. Care to provide a data point or two that shows disproportionance (is that a word), and then causation not correlation? [Big Grin]

Edited to call out the nice hijack, though. [cheerful]

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quote:
Originally posted by Gary Somers:
Just a thought, but how many drivers have considered switching to SSM because of the compliance fee? Personally I consider it a donation to National. I don't believe we will see any benefit at the regional level. Just my $.02

Gary, you might ask Jeremy Thoennes about this. I did and he said the fee will be used for tech at regional and national events. You might still not believe, but that is the official word for now.

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Drago:
My 2 cents...
It seemed like the leaders of spec tire discussions run regionals where tires are open for the most part... [scratchchin] [Big Grin]

Jim, why do you think that? AS far as I know, most folks in the NW who run nationals prefer spec tires. But that's just my little corner of the world.

-Bruce

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Mike
Your a smart guy who knows how to use the search button... [Big Grin] Go back and read the threads. You know how the forums work... For the record I have flipped on this and I am pro spec tire... but I think you'll find I am correct in more non national competitors worked on getting a spec tire and were the most vocal and it effected them the least.. but I digress.. this thread is about compliance fee.
[Big Grin]

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Jerry Cabe Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
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OK Steve & Jim,

Let me try to explain my position on the compliance fee. First, let me state that I am not a long time SCCA'er or racer. So I don't know a lot of the history other than what I put together from my readings. As a fairly anal person, I try to read and keep up with the rules, as well as live by them. I would rather run where I do as opposed to having a mechanical/performance advantage that does not meet the rules (just the way I am).

As a member of SCCA, the only rule notification I have is from the GCR and FastTracks. Nothing else is official (not even respected opinions found in this forum). I have searched over the past year's FastTracks on the subject of a SM Compliance Fee and find the following.

In May 2007 FastTrack, reflecting the 4/3/07 CRB meeting, "The CRB requests input about implimenting a compliance fee for the regional and national events." At the time I saw this request, but believed that there would be such an uproar from the SM community, that I did not respond (my bad).

In July 2007 FastTrack, reflecting the 6/5/07 CRB meeting, "Change Section 3.3.5.E as follows: A $10 surcharge for each Spec Racer, Formula SCCA and Spec Miata car must be submitted to the SCCA National Office with the Tow Fund and excess sanction fees for the event."

Also in the issue was the note of one "Opposition to compliance fee (Daniels)"

Additionally noted in an additional section of this FastTrack were the previously omitted minutes from the May 2007 BOD meeting where it was noted that "Jeremy Thoennes discussed the idea of a Spec Miata compliance fee to fund additional compliance inspections."

In the September 2007 FastTrack, reflecting the CRB minutes of the 8/7/07 meeting, it was noted that input was received "Post more detail about the SM compliance fee (3 letters)", "Support for compliance fee with 50% toward regionals (1 letter)", and "Opposition to compliance fee (2 letters)".

In the December 2007 FastTrack, reflecting the 11/5/07 BOD meeting, "Motion: That the Board recind approval of the Spec Miata Compliance fee (Christian/Sheridan) PASSED Unanimous".

My point in pulling all of this out is that as an SCCA member who relys on the GCR and the FastTrack, where in the documentation should I recognize that the compliance fee was requested by members, or there was input that favored the proposal that was put forth?

And now it appears that the BOD has decided to reverse their November unanimous decision with no explaination. Not much transparency in this process from my observation. It appears that there is input being considered other than that being published in FastTrack.

Now for the gotcha; I'm not necessarily against a compliance fee if a plan was put together of how much it would generate and how it would specifically be use. And I don't mean to just say it will be used to train inspectors and provide tools. Let's see a plan that is financially balanced. How many training sessions, where, what type of tooling, etc. This is a fee that will likely be with us for the foreseeable years to come, not just a one time tax to pay for equipment and initial training.

I also talked to a lot of Spec Racer Ford racers who have paid a compliance fee for many years, and they are close to a true spec class. The overwhelming majority of the SRF racers I queried did not see any direct inspection from the fee. Approximately half felt that the fee benefited their class, but most had never had any direct inspection of their cars through the fee. I doubt SM will be any different.

I hope I am wrong in my expectations of an SM compliance fee, but I fully expect to see no benefit from my paying the fee. Additionally, I question the process for the solicitation and recognition of input within the SCCA.

This must be my $1.02 worth,

Jerry

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No Jerry,it's your $10.02 worth! [Big Grin]

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Come on Bob, It wasn't that bad. [soapbox]

Jerry

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Jerry,If I typed that out it would have taken me about three to four hours.I get paid about $25.00 an hour so that would be about $75.00 to $100.00.

That would cover 10 races! [Big Grin]

LOL Jerry,just kidding around!

PS you could add about 2 more hours to check the spellin or is it spelling! [Wink]

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The BoD met recently and over the course of a few days addressed numerous issues which will no doubt show up in the next Fastrack. The Spec Miata Compliance fee was voted on Sat. Dec 1st. It was voted back in after having been recinded recently. The vote was 7-6 in favor of having the fee. The majority of the Board were convinced more of the SM drivers wanted it than didn't. Something about desiring a level playing field for all. This was a "hot button" issue amongst the BoD. The $$$$ will be used in two ways. First, some special tools need to be purchased to make it easy & accurate to check the SM engines. Second,the tech folks need instruction in how to check the cars. The National Tech staff will spearhead the program,including some on-site inspections and training. Many of the Board are concerned that the program might not work, it may not be practical or it might get bogged down. But they did feel that to do nothing, would not bode well for the SM class and it's continued growth. This informtion was provided to me by my Area Director. The section of the GCR that deals with this is 3.3.5 E although the new 2008 GCR does not reflect this, as the fee was just enacted, and the GCR has already been printed. The $10 fee will be added to each entry by SM...SRF..and FE. I trust this will answer some of the questions folks have on this issue.

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I imagine how it gets spent will depend a bit on the local tech gurus. I, for one, will be pressuring our local tech volunteers to tap into that money. Squeaky wheel, etc. Let's use the money to get the tools and training to bust all the rules stretchers.

I will support them however I can to get the most out of this opportunity.

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