i recently recived a helmet from my uncle in wich he used to race with in the scca . the helmet rating is snell SA 2000 . i was woundering if this helmet is still legal in the scca ? and if in the near future it will not be legal ?
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I don't think this is true. The GCR states that SA2000 helmets are legal.
I think it has been the policy of SCCA to allow helmets that are one specification behind the current specifications. Snell has confused this a bit by not completely superseding the 2005 spec with the 2010 one. In effect, both 2005 and 2010 specs will be 'current' which means the SA2000 spec will probably remain legal for SCCA until March of 2012, when Snell retires the 2005 spec.
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The SA2010 standards were delayed. Usually, when the new standard is implemented, the older of the two current standards is dropped. i.e. when the 2005 standard came in, the SA95 helmets were no longer legal, only the SA2000 and the SA2005. Whenever the SA2010 is activated, I'm guessing the 2000s will retire. That should have been this year.
The five year replacement recommendation is based on a consensus by both the helmet manufacturers and the Snell Foundation. Glues, resins and other materials used in helmet production over can affect liner materials. Hair oils, body fluids and cosmetics, as well as normal "wear and tear" all contribute to helmet degradation. Petroleum based products present in cleaners, paints, fuels and other commonly encountered materials may also degrade materials used in many helmets possibly degrading performance. Additionally, experience indicates there will be a noticeable improvement in the protective characteristic of helmets over a five year period due to advances in materials, designs, production methods and the standards. Thus, the recommendation for five year helmet replacement is a judgment call stemming from a prudent safety philosophy.
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You will never be required to retire a helmet until the next year, regardless of when the new Snell number is released. If you have a 2010 SCCA sticker on the side, it is good all year. And, as John pointed out, the actual standards may or may not be any different, between the SA2005 and SA2010 specs. The major reason for the change is to remove older helmets from use. wheel
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Snell has a lot of info on the site about the transition from SA2005 to SA2010. SA2005 will remain a current and valid standard until 2012 and SCCA usually allows a helmet from the previous standard to be legal. That means that a SA2000 helmet will probably remain legal until 2012.
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Legal or not, like SNELL said don't expect a helmet more than 5 years old to provide optimal protection. The polystyrene foam inside gets brittle over time. That's the stuff that's designed to crush so your head doesn't. Every cert agency and helmet company will tell you the same thing and it's not to sell more helmets.
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quote:Originally posted by Keith in WA: Legal or not, like SNELL said don't expect a helmet more than 5 years old to provide optimal protection. The polystyrene foam inside gets brittle over time. That's the stuff that's designed to crush so your head doesn't. Every cert agency and helmet company will tell you the same thing and it's not to sell more helmets.
That's a different issue, I think. You could buy brand new SA2000 helmets well into 2007, if I remember correctly.
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True, but he said he got one his uncle raced with so I'm just assuming it's older. I've broken a few helmets so that's one place I wouldn't skimp on used and abused. Free is all well and good until you have to trust your life on that piece of safety equipment. Even if it just sat on a shelf for 5 years, the foam liner ages.
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Because each new standard routinely appears late in the year of publication and then it takes some time for helmets meeting the new standard to become available in quantity, SCCA usually allows a full year beyond the standard year before dropping the oldest previous standard. For example, it was not until the 2007 GCR that the 1995 standard was dropped and a helmet meeting the 2000 or later standard became the requirement. The current situation is really no different. The 2010 standard is coming out late in 2010. SCCA will continue to allow 2000 or later through 2011. The requirement will become 2005 or later at the beginning of 2012.
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I would be suprised if Snell would recertify a helmet older than 5 years. Even back in the 80s all manufacturers were saying the shelf life of the foam was only 5 years due to oxidation.
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quote:Originally posted by cnj: Would this info (ie. Extension of eligibility) normally be posted in Fastrack once the new standard is approved?
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There is no "extension" required. The way the GCR is written, currently accepted helmets remain acceptable until the standard date is changed. The 2012 GCR will change the currently accepted standard from SA2000 to SA2005.
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quote:Originally posted by Gatoratty: Goggles...where did you get the idea that you can send your helmet to Snell to be re-certified?
Well, I was sure I read that somewhere and was looking forward to keeping my helmet in good shape for re-certification. But I sure can't find it now, either at snell or Arai. Damn, I hated when idiots spout off on these forums.
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quote:Originally posted by GROOTS: Does anyone know what is going on with this. Is my SA2000 helmet no good for the 2011 season ???? Have we adopted the SA2010 ?
If a sanctioning body accepts the SA2010 as their new standard I doubt a SA2000 will fly... Now, that is my opinion.
However, remember age of the Helmet plays into it.
quote:FROM SNELL The five year replacement recommendation is based on a consensus by both the helmet manufacturers and the Snell Foundation. Glues, resins and other materials used in helmet production over can affect liner materials. Hair oils, body fluids and cosmetics, as well as normal "wear and tear" all contribute to helmet degradation. Petroleum based products present in cleaners, paints, fuels and other commonly encountered materials may also degrade materials used in many helmets possibly degrading performance. Additionally, experience indicates there will be a noticeable improvement in the protective characteristic of helmets over a five year period due to advances in materials, designs, production methods and the standards. Thus, the recommendation for five year helmet replacement is a judgment call stemming from a prudent safety philosophy.
Weekend-Racer.com has pre-order of SA2010 with free shipping. More manufactures will be added as data becomes available.
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quote:Originally posted by GROOTS: Does anyone know what is going on with this. Is my SA2000 helmet no good for the 2011 season ???? Have we adopted the SA2010 ?
See my post above. Read it. I'm not going to do this again.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Gomberg:
quote:Originally posted by GROOTS: Does anyone know what is going on with this. Is my SA2000 helmet no good for the 2011 season ???? Have we adopted the SA2010 ?
See my post above. Read it. I'm not going to do this again.
Dave Gomberg CRB member
Dave I have read your older post. The question is, Fact or is this your opinion. If its fact is there anything in writing that I can Quote. I had a tech guy this weekend telling me that he didnt think that my helmet was good for next year.
Thanks Jeff
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There is nothing written now - and there won't be until the 2011 GCR comes out. I signed my last post with my position - CRB member - and I'm telling you that there will be no change from 2010 to 2011. That means your SA2000 will be fine in 2011.
If that isn't good enough for you, then you are free to hold your breath for the next three months.
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Dave; don't mess with Tony Scarface Montana, dude has an endless supply of ammo ... am concerned if the barrel on that AR-15 will hold up, more concerned though with the poor tech guy that tells Tony he can't use his SA2000 helmet.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Gomberg: There is nothing written now - and there won't be until the 2011 GCR comes out. I signed my last post with my position - CRB member - and I'm telling you that there will be no change from 2010 to 2011. That means your SA2000 will be fine in 2011.
If that isn't good enough for you, then you are free to hold your breath for the next three months.
Dave
Didn't say that wasn't good enough. And I can see that you are a CRB MEMBER I wont be holding my breath. I just need some ammo if the situation comes up again. Thanks for your input !!!!!!
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