Spec Miata Community   
search | help | calendar | games | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hello Spec Miata Community » SpecMiata.com » Spec Miata Rules & Competition » From the classifieds (Page 0)

 - Email this page to someone! | Subscribe To Topic
Page 1 of 2 1  2  next » 
 
Author Topic: From the classifieds
Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
and it will f*^% with your timing and fuel. Good luck.

Kyle

I haven't seen it make much difference, have you experienced a big change?

A moment or two with a timing light and it's fine. A 5 to 10% reduction in injector duty cycle is about right to reduce the overt richness at the top. Isn't that what people are trying to achieve with the pricey tuned AFM's and fancyschmancy fuel regulators?? [Confused]

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Mark de Regt:
...And why not just spec the rev limit? A higher rev limiter would be a huge advantage at the track I race at most often, and precious few cars "legitimately" have a meaningfully higher rev limit than the Mazda spec says.

I have no use for rules that can't be enforced, since that only helps the cheaters. But why not spec that which we easily can?

I don't know Mark, I never could figure out why we couldn't spec and test timing, but I was told it was impossible and would just lead to people choosing more expensive cheats. This seems the same to me.

Let's face it, if a few hundred RPM is a big advantage, the big cheaters will find a way to get it and will spend big bucks to hide it and on new motors. Shouldn't we just make it a 50 cent choice?

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Kyle Freiheit
Member

Region: NWR
Car #: #78 sorry Terrell
Year : 1992
Posts: 270
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kyle Freiheit     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

My friend tested this on his autocross car. It was a 1997 1.8. Looks pretty messed up to me.
The dotted line is stock, the solid line is with the alternate crystal.

 -

[ 06-07-2010, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Kyle Freiheit ]

David Dewhurst
Veteran Member

Posts: 574
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for David Dewhurst     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Interesting how small/local the crowd is chewing this dark grey fat. Gee, where are all the regular front of the pack folks?

World Challenge weight/restrictors work well so that no one car dominates. We could mandate that no one spec line car dominates.

I don't need 1,000 rpm, how about 300 rpm for $30.00. Don't waste time while hiting the limiter, don't wast time shifting up & right away down. I like that. [yep]

--------------------
Have Fun [Wink]

David Dewhurst
CenDiv
Milwaukee Region
Spec Miata #14

MPR22
Member

Region: Southwest
Car #: 22
Year : 92'
Posts: 296
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for MPR22     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
So, are we talking about refurbishing a mazda part or cheating it up by replacing it with a non stock part(crystal)? Those are 2 different things.

If your rev limit happens much higher than someone elses do to a cheated up ecu or one that has in fact drifted out of spec, who cares? You are not on the same equipment as the guys around you, this a spec class.

Kyle

Well, there isn't really a spec for the oscillator or the rev limiter and we know that there is a some variation. It's just normal manufacturing variation and aging... kinda like the shiny fuel pressure regulators that wear into a perfect 52PSI (when you squeeze them just right).

This is a semi-spec class and the ECU is certainly one area where meaningful specs don't exist. Let's just be frank, you can either get lucky and get a car with an extra 200 to 300 rpm by accident, contact this vendor and get an undetectable crystal modification for $$$ or go to http://www.digikey.com and buy a replacement crystal for less than 50 cents.

It only takes two solder joints and the part isn't very sensitive to shock/heat so even a caveman/SM driver can do it, but Stevie Wonder could see it from across the room. The only thing that makes this mod cost $100 is the need to hide it.

... and no 4.9MHz isn't the right value. [shame]

Wow there was quite a set of parameters you would need to know to order properly. I believe my friend will have to buy 200 of the little things to figure out which one works. [nope]

--------------------
Michael Ross

JimEli Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Member

Region: NWR
Car #: 5
Year : 1991
Posts: 252
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for JimEli   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
My friend tested this on his autocross car.

I've never done this, but I know this guy... [Wink]

--------------------
UPR.com
Team LemonLappers

Drago Verified Driver Made Donation to Website Series Champ
MegaModerator

Region: mid south
Car #: 2
Year : 1999
Posts: 4275
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Drago   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
[qb] Let's just be frank, you can either get lucky and get a car with an extra 200 to 300 rpm by accident [shame]

No one luckily finds 200 or 300 rpm in an unmodified ECU. You may have a tach that is off that much or more, but no way you have an ecu that wasnt touched that revs that much higher.

--------------------
Jim Drago
East Street Auto Salvage
jdrago1@aol.com
2006-2007 Mid-West Division
07,09 June Sprints Champion

EAST STREET RACING

Roger Caddell Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Victory Lane Data

Region: Northwest
Car #: #30
Year : 2007
Posts: 423
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Roger Caddell   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

I agree with Drago, but things may have changed since 2006... :-)

I went to the dyno before the 2006 Runoffs with no less than 8 ecu's. Started with #1 and ran each of them throught to the rev limiter and gathered the data. Then I started with #8 and did the exact same thing back to #1.

What I found was they were all within the same 50 or so rpm and even the same ECU's varied by 30rpm in the back to back tests!

HP and TQ also did not vary significantly.

Then after qualifying at the Runoffs, tech made us swap to a SCCA ECU. I took the car right back to the onsite dyno and it made the best power it ever made with the SCCA supplied ECU. Go figure. They would not let me keep it...

--------------------
Thanks!

Roger Caddell

Victory Lane Data - Your Aim Data Acquisition Connection!
Andrew Caddell - Personal Website!

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

David, you can have 300 rpm for 40 cents.

Kyle, I've not seen it done on 1.8NA. Can you post a clearer photo?

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Kyle Freiheit
Member

Region: NWR
Car #: #78 sorry Terrell
Year : 1992
Posts: 270
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kyle Freiheit     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by JimEli:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
My friend tested this on his autocross car.

I've never done this, but I know this guy... [Wink]
Alright, I should come clean, it was you [Smile]

B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
Gold Member

Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91
Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for B Wilson   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
quote:
Originally posted by JimEli:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Freiheit:
My friend tested this on his autocross car.

I've never done this, but I know this guy... [Wink]
Alright, I should come clean, it was you [Smile]
[rolling on floor laughin]

--------------------
Bruce Wilson
2010 Oregon Region Champ
2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year
2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion
Oregon Region SM Class Advisor

Willie the Tard Verified Driver
Member

Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92
Posts: 697
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Willie the Tard   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

When the proposed rules (open ECU, FP and timing) come to pass this whole thread will be irrelevant

--------------------
William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard

David Dewhurst
Veteran Member

Posts: 574
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for David Dewhurst     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
David, you can have 300 rpm for 40 cents.


Thanks Kent, I'll take the 300 rpm. [yep]

--------------------
Have Fun [Wink]

David Dewhurst
CenDiv
Milwaukee Region
Spec Miata #14

Drago Verified Driver Made Donation to Website Series Champ
MegaModerator

Region: mid south
Car #: 2
Year : 1999
Posts: 4275
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Drago   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

JUST TO CLARIFY..
There are no proposed rules pending,just requests for input. Open ECU's was not included in the request for input, therefore not even a possibility for 2011.

--------------------
Jim Drago
East Street Auto Salvage
jdrago1@aol.com
2006-2007 Mid-West Division
07,09 June Sprints Champion

EAST STREET RACING

Weekend Warrior Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Racing to Cure ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease)

Region: WDCR
Car #: 56 "Earl"
Year : 1990, 1999 soon to be SM
Posts: 2947
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Weekend Warrior   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Jim keeps on having to piss on forest fires..... [Wink]

--------------------
http://www.olsinvestfinancial.com
http://www.alsinfo.org
http://www.weekendwarriorracing.com

Brandon F. Verified Driver
Member

Region: NNJR
Car #: 48
Year : 1996
Posts: 191
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Brandon F.     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Then it sounds like Jim needs more beer to refill that firefighting tank!

[tipsy]

In all seriousness though, until there's a "spec" ECU and a process for gathering the maps from the impounded finishers (to detect/identify any potential problems) we're all doing something worse than Drago (at least he's putting out fires [Razz] ) :
We're pissing in the wind...

I still need to get an aftermarket tach so I really know how far off the mark my factory one is so until that happens (or I decide to go w/the spec'ed ECU) I'll be happy with where mine revs to.

B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
Gold Member

Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91
Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for B Wilson   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Was seriously waiting for Jim's reply to the Tard on this one.
[rolling on floor laughin] [rolling on floor laughin] [rolling on floor laughin]

--------------------
Bruce Wilson
2010 Oregon Region Champ
2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year
2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion
Oregon Region SM Class Advisor

Willie the Tard Verified Driver
Member

Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92
Posts: 697
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Willie the Tard   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Jim is right Ė the proposed rule is for open FP and timing because we canít effectively tech ECUs (so by default ECUs are already open) [Smile]

--------------------
William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard

David Dewhurst
Veteran Member

Posts: 574
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for David Dewhurst     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Brandon F.:
In all seriousness though, until there's a "spec" ECU and a process for gathering the maps from the impounded finishers (to detect/identify any potential problems) we're all doing something worse than Drago (at least he's putting out fires [Razz] ) :
We're pissing in the wind...


IIRC A month or so ago there were a bunch of people pi$$ing in the wind relative to checking ECU's. [duck]

--------------------
Have Fun [Wink]

David Dewhurst
CenDiv
Milwaukee Region
Spec Miata #14

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

David, you are right. The SCCA seems to have decided that ECU's are 'open' by choosing not to spec them nor acquire the ability to check them. It doesn't matter to me, I can afford the arms race.

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

MPR22
Member

Region: Southwest
Car #: 22
Year : 92'
Posts: 296
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for MPR22     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

If you finish in the top three make sure you only cheat on the parts they don't check, ie.. ECUs. We get it, but it doesn't make it right.

--------------------
Michael Ross

Willie the Tard Verified Driver
Member

Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92
Posts: 697
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Willie the Tard   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Or get the right people to use "tech shed legal" parts for a year then they become fully legal in the off season [Smile]

--------------------
William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
Or get the right people to use "tech shed legal" parts for a year then they become fully legal in the off season [Smile]

Oh, stop it. [shame]

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

JMorris
Member

Posts: 69
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for JMorris     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
Or get the right people to use "tech shed legal" parts for a year then they become fully legal in the off season [Smile]

What does this mean?


So you guys are all fine running stuff that is illegal like computers? Does it even matter the rules are very clear that you can't do this? I often hear "gray area" all the time, but this sure doesn't seem gray to me. If someone can find an advantage within the rules, even pushing the rules,that is gray I suppose. When you clearly and intentionally break a rule, it isn't gray, it isn't tech shed legal. You can call it what you like, but what I call it is cheating, plain and simple! Some egos must need some serious stroking. All this to beat your friends and win a $6.00 trophy. Very sad

While the SCCA and powers that be certainly have their issues, I look at the quality of many individuals left in this class as the reason for it's early demise. I have sent my letters in...
More compliance, no suspension and yes to FP and timing provided cars are readjusted afterwards.

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

JMorris, I think what the Tard is trying to say is that we saw these arguments for open fuel pressure earlier:
1. There is normal variation in the production run
2. Hard to tech (not really)
3. Easy to manipulate the FP regulator to 'optimize' and the modification is hard to detect
4. People are doing it anyway, making it open just lets the rest do it more cheaply because they don't have to hide it
5. Provides a low cost performance boost

If that is true for the FP regulator, it is much more so for allowing people to vary the clock on the ECU to nudge the redline. In fact, it's MUCH cheaper than fooling with the FPR.

I'm against it for the same reasons I am against the FP and timing mods, but I see the hypocrisy in the arguments.

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
Overdog Driver

Region: Houston; SWDIV
Car #: 15
Year : 99
Posts: 680
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Cajun Miata Man     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?

You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.

I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.

--------------------
James York


sponsored by:
Stan's Auto Center, Lafayette LA
powered by:
East Street Racing, Memphis TN
set up guru:
Gilfus Racing, Austin TX

Greg Bush Verified Driver
Thread Killer

Region: NW/OR
Car #: 04
Year : 90
Posts: 1765
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Greg Bush     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

This is where the slippery slope leads.

We set foot on it when we went National and invited the serious racers to play.

I think I'll put together an illegal motor that makes Pro power for way less money and run that.

It beats getting my ass handed to me by bad drivers with Pro power, while I stand on the moral high ground....

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man:
For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?

You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.

I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.

Ding! That's me!

Actually, I haven't looked at the head in my car, but I know the chump who built it is a well-known cheater. Despite his promises to build a legal motor that made power because of expert dyno tuning, I'm pretty sure the head is not legal.

Hello pot, I'm kettle.

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

JMorris
Member

Posts: 69
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for JMorris     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
JMorris, I think what the Tard is trying to say is that we saw these arguments for open fuel pressure earlier:
1. There is normal variation in the production run
2. Hard to tech (not really)
3. Easy to manipulate the FP regulator to 'optimize' and the modification is hard to detect
4. People are doing it anyway, making it open just lets the rest do it more cheaply because they don't have to hide it
5. Provides a low cost performance boost

If that is true for the FP regulator, it is much more so for allowing people to vary the clock on the ECU to nudge the redline. In fact, it's MUCH cheaper than fooling with the FPR.

I'm against it for the same reasons I am against the FP and timing mods, but I see the hypocrisy in the arguments.

Some of what you posted makes sense. Some doesn't.

The argument for FP seems to be that swapping regulators and finding one low in the spec gives you a better tune up. If they are within the spec, I don't even see that as gray, how can anyone make that argument?

I don't understand how the same case can be made about computers? None left Mazda that way, you had to cheat to get there? Not gray, not preparation, just blatant cheating.

I really don't follow the logic here.

J-

Willie the Tard Verified Driver
Member

Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92
Posts: 697
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Willie the Tard   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by JMorris:
quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
Or get the right people to use "tech shed legal" parts for a year then they become fully legal in the off season [Smile]

What does this mean?


So you guys are all fine running stuff that is illegal like computers?

I am for sure not the "right people" [Smile]

I was talking about heads last year and FP and timing this year.

--------------------
William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard

Willie the Tard Verified Driver
Member

Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92
Posts: 697
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Willie the Tard   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man:
For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?

You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.

I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.

knowingly no, but did I take my pro motor apart and check it no. PM from the runoffs and I will tell you what most likely illegal on your car [Smile]

--------------------
William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by JMorris:
quote:
Originally posted by Kent Carter:
JMorris, I think what the Tard is trying to say is that we saw these arguments for open fuel pressure earlier:
1. There is normal variation in the production run
2. Hard to tech (not really)
3. Easy to manipulate the FP regulator to 'optimize' and the modification is hard to detect
4. People are doing it anyway, making it open just lets the rest do it more cheaply because they don't have to hide it
5. Provides a low cost performance boost

If that is true for the FP regulator, it is much more so for allowing people to vary the clock on the ECU to nudge the redline. In fact, it's MUCH cheaper than fooling with the FPR.

I'm against it for the same reasons I am against the FP and timing mods, but I see the hypocrisy in the arguments.

Some of what you posted makes sense. Some doesn't.

The argument for FP seems to be that swapping regulators and finding one low in the spec gives you a better tune up. If they are within the spec, I don't even see that as gray, how can anyone make that argument?

I don't understand how the same case can be made about computers? None left Mazda that way, you had to cheat to get there? Not gray, not preparation, just blatant cheating.

I really don't follow the logic here.

J-

J, despite protestations to the contrary, you CAN find stock, unmonkeyed NA1.6 ECUs with an extra 200 RPM. They are controlled by a very crude crystal oscillator and it doesn't take much variation in the voltage regulator/resistor/capacitor/crystal circuit to give you that increase. Age takes its toll on crystal oscillators. This is no different than cylinder heads or fuel pressure regulators, you can find the 'golden' one if you are lucky and patient or you can have one 'squeezed'. Or we can allow people to get the 'benefit' for 50 cents.

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Cajun Miata Man Verified Driver
Overdog Driver

Region: Houston; SWDIV
Car #: 15
Year : 99
Posts: 680
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Cajun Miata Man     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
quote:
Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man:
For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?

You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.

I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.

PM from the runoffs and I will tell you what most likely illegal on your car [Smile]
You lost me........ But my car was found compliant on all items. The only excluded item was my head was not pulled like the podium finishers.

--------------------
James York


sponsored by:
Stan's Auto Center, Lafayette LA
powered by:
East Street Racing, Memphis TN
set up guru:
Gilfus Racing, Austin TX

Keith in WA Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Pack Fodder

Region: NWR / Oregon
Car #: 88
Year : 95
Posts: 2000
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Keith in WA     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

I canít even keep track of all the gray area tweaks anymore. One week itís remapped ECUs. The next is squished FP regulators. This week itís some magic new age hippie crystals. Next week probably flux capacitors or rocket assist brake pads.

Iím throwing in the towel. I guess thereís nothing for us poor unsophisticated yokels to do but pour in some pump gas, snug up the harness, learn to love the right and hate the middle pedals, and use the extra money for beer.

--------------------
Keith Novak
(Will work for tires)

d mathias Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Member

Region: OVR
Car #: 88
Year : 1991
Posts: 2401
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for d mathias     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Flux capacitors are sooooooo 2008. Where have you been?

Give the beer to your competitors Fri. & Sat. nights so they're hung-over and can't race for shiz.

joeythepants
Junior Member

Posts: 9
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for joeythepants     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

I don't think it will make it through tech but give it a shot

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EMB0/121G.oap?keyword=121g

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EMB0/121GMF.oap?keyword=121gmf

B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
Gold Member

Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91
Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for B Wilson   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Keith, most if not all of this is not an issue where you and I race, so I'll be happy just to squeeze a lemon into my Hef and relax in my lawn chair all weekend. My biggest concern at this point is a scheduled oil change between races.

Cheers!

-b

--------------------
Bruce Wilson
2010 Oregon Region Champ
2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year
2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion
Oregon Region SM Class Advisor

Rob Burgoon Verified Driver
Member

Posts: 443
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Rob Burgoon     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

mmmm Hef...

--------------------
It really makes my week when nobody crashes into me.

Brandon F. Verified Driver
Member

Region: NNJR
Car #: 48
Year : 1996
Posts: 191
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Brandon F.     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Alright, I'm not from the Pacific northwest so what's a "Hef"?

Ron Alan Made Donation to Website
Member

Region: SF
Year : 95
Posts: 235
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Ron Alan     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by B Wilson:
Keith, most if not all of this is not an issue where you and I race, so I'll be happy just to squeeze a lemon into my Hef and relax in my lawn chair all weekend. My biggest concern at this point is a scheduled oil change between races.

Cheers!

-b

+1 [yep]

--------------------
-RA


"Happy birthday, I didn't get you a present...Oh, mom got you one? Well, that's from me then too, unless it's shitty."
9:52 AM Sep 14th, 2009 via web
http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays

Mark de Regt Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Veteran Member

Region: NWR/Oregon; ICSCC
Car #: 70
Year : 1991
Posts: 1111
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Mark de Regt   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Brandon F.:
Alright, I'm not from the Pacific northwest so what's a "Hef"?

Hefeweizen beer

Brandon F. Verified Driver
Member

Region: NNJR
Car #: 48
Year : 1996
Posts: 191
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Brandon F.     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Oh, DUH!
Thanks Mark...

Signed,
Likes a Paulaner himself
But without the fruit [Wink]

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by Brandon F.:
Alright, I'm not from the Pacific northwest so what's a "Hef"?

I thought it was a chunky woman!

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

Brandon F. Verified Driver
Member

Region: NNJR
Car #: 48
Year : 1996
Posts: 191
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Brandon F.     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

No, those would be "Bevos" for you Texas folks...

[duck]

B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
Gold Member

Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91
Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for B Wilson   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Er uh, nevermind [Smile]

-b

--------------------
Bruce Wilson
2010 Oregon Region Champ
2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year
2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion
Oregon Region SM Class Advisor

MPR22
Member

Region: Southwest
Car #: 22
Year : 92'
Posts: 296
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for MPR22     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Any of you North wester's try Shiner Bock. They were serving it at Giant's games when i visited last month. Good Texas beer.

--------------------
Michael Ross

Brandon F. Verified Driver
Member

Region: NNJR
Car #: 48
Year : 1996
Posts: 191
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Brandon F.     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Don't tease us former Texans like that!

Boo!! HISS!!!

The closest we can get it is south Pennsylvania/northern Virginia - and that's a haul from norther Jersey!

MPR22
Member

Region: Southwest
Car #: 22
Year : 92'
Posts: 296
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for MPR22     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

San Fran Giants game, but there is hope if mabey they will start shipping to the north east as well.

--------------------
Michael Ross

B Wilson Verified Driver Series Champ
Gold Member

Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91
Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for B Wilson   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

Whatever you do, don't spill beer on your ECU, or the rev limiter might drop to zero.

-b

--------------------
Bruce Wilson
2010 Oregon Region Champ
2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year
2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion
Oregon Region SM Class Advisor

Kent Carter Verified Driver Made Donation to Website
Future Never Has Been

Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991
Posts: 2171
Status: Offline
Icon 1 posted  Profile for Kent Carter   Author's Homepage     Edit/Delete Post  Report this post to a Moderator

quote:
Originally posted by B Wilson:
Whatever you do, don't spill beer on your ECU, or the rev limiter might drop to zero.

-b

A little dab near the crystal is good for 25 RPM or so [Wink]

--------------------
Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?

 
Page 1 of 2 1  2  next » 
 

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic | Subscribe To Topic
Hop To: