Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991 Posts: 2171
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quote:Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man: For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?
You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.
I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.
Ding! That's me!
Actually, I haven't looked at the head in my car, but I know the chump who built it is a well-known cheater. Despite his promises to build a legal motor that made power because of expert dyno tuning, I'm pretty sure the head is not legal.
Hello pot, I'm kettle.
-------------------- Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?
quote:Originally posted by Kent Carter: JMorris, I think what the Tard is trying to say is that we saw these arguments for open fuel pressure earlier: 1. There is normal variation in the production run 2. Hard to tech (not really) 3. Easy to manipulate the FP regulator to 'optimize' and the modification is hard to detect 4. People are doing it anyway, making it open just lets the rest do it more cheaply because they don't have to hide it 5. Provides a low cost performance boost
If that is true for the FP regulator, it is much more so for allowing people to vary the clock on the ECU to nudge the redline. In fact, it's MUCH cheaper than fooling with the FPR.
I'm against it for the same reasons I am against the FP and timing mods, but I see the hypocrisy in the arguments.
Some of what you posted makes sense. Some doesn't.
The argument for FP seems to be that swapping regulators and finding one low in the spec gives you a better tune up. If they are within the spec, I don't even see that as gray, how can anyone make that argument?
I don't understand how the same case can be made about computers? None left Mazda that way, you had to cheat to get there? Not gray, not preparation, just blatant cheating.
Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92 Posts: 697
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quote:Originally posted by JMorris:
quote:Originally posted by Willie the Tard: Or get the right people to use "tech shed legal" parts for a year then they become fully legal in the off season
What does this mean?
So you guys are all fine running stuff that is illegal like computers?
I am for sure not the "right people"
I was talking about heads last year and FP and timing this year.
-------------------- William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard
Region: NASA Texas
Car #: 8
Year : 92 Posts: 697
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quote:Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man: For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?
You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.
I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.
knowingly no, but did I take my pro motor apart and check it no. PM from the runoffs and I will tell you what most likely illegal on your car
-------------------- William Keeling a.k.a. Willie the Tard
Region: Houston
Car #: 91
Year : 1991 Posts: 2171
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quote:Originally posted by JMorris:
quote:Originally posted by Kent Carter: JMorris, I think what the Tard is trying to say is that we saw these arguments for open fuel pressure earlier: 1. There is normal variation in the production run 2. Hard to tech (not really) 3. Easy to manipulate the FP regulator to 'optimize' and the modification is hard to detect 4. People are doing it anyway, making it open just lets the rest do it more cheaply because they don't have to hide it 5. Provides a low cost performance boost
If that is true for the FP regulator, it is much more so for allowing people to vary the clock on the ECU to nudge the redline. In fact, it's MUCH cheaper than fooling with the FPR.
I'm against it for the same reasons I am against the FP and timing mods, but I see the hypocrisy in the arguments.
Some of what you posted makes sense. Some doesn't.
The argument for FP seems to be that swapping regulators and finding one low in the spec gives you a better tune up. If they are within the spec, I don't even see that as gray, how can anyone make that argument?
I don't understand how the same case can be made about computers? None left Mazda that way, you had to cheat to get there? Not gray, not preparation, just blatant cheating.
I really don't follow the logic here.
J-
J, despite protestations to the contrary, you CAN find stock, unmonkeyed NA1.6 ECUs with an extra 200 RPM. They are controlled by a very crude crystal oscillator and it doesn't take much variation in the voltage regulator/resistor/capacitor/crystal circuit to give you that increase. Age takes its toll on crystal oscillators. This is no different than cylinder heads or fuel pressure regulators, you can find the 'golden' one if you are lucky and patient or you can have one 'squeezed'. Or we can allow people to get the 'benefit' for 50 cents.
-------------------- Do I turn my 99 Hard S into a killerfast SM or seek a donor?
Region: Houston; SWDIV
Car #: 15
Year : 99 Posts: 680
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quote:Originally posted by Willie the Tard:
quote:Originally posted by Cajun Miata Man: For all you righteous "pots" out there calling the kettles black, how many of you in 2010 knowingly ran illegal 1.6L heads at sometime?
You don't need to answer, but we know who you are.
I am not proposing modded ECUs as legal, only suggesting that maybe your self-serving crusade is a bit hypocritical and a look in the mirror may be warranted.
PM from the runoffs and I will tell you what most likely illegal on your car
You lost me........ But my car was found compliant on all items. The only excluded item was my head was not pulled like the podium finishers.
-------------------- James York
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Region: NWR / Oregon
Car #: 88
Year : 95 Posts: 2000
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I can’t even keep track of all the gray area tweaks anymore. One week it’s remapped ECUs. The next is squished FP regulators. This week it’s some magic new age hippie crystals. Next week probably flux capacitors or rocket assist brake pads.
I’m throwing in the towel. I guess there’s nothing for us poor unsophisticated yokels to do but pour in some pump gas, snug up the harness, learn to love the right and hate the middle pedals, and use the extra money for beer.
-------------------- Keith Novak (Will work for tires)
Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91 Posts: 2359
Status: Offline
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Keith, most if not all of this is not an issue where you and I race, so I'll be happy just to squeeze a lemon into my Hef and relax in my lawn chair all weekend. My biggest concern at this point is a scheduled oil change between races.
Cheers!
-b
-------------------- Bruce Wilson 2010 Oregon Region Champ 2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year 2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion Oregon Region SM Class Advisor
quote:Originally posted by B Wilson: Keith, most if not all of this is not an issue where you and I race, so I'll be happy just to squeeze a lemon into my Hef and relax in my lawn chair all weekend. My biggest concern at this point is a scheduled oil change between races.
Cheers!
-b
+1
-------------------- -RA
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Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91 Posts: 2359
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Er uh, nevermind
-b
-------------------- Bruce Wilson 2010 Oregon Region Champ 2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year 2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion Oregon Region SM Class Advisor
Region: Oregon
Car #: 68
Year : 91 Posts: 2359
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Whatever you do, don't spill beer on your ECU, or the rev limiter might drop to zero.
-b
-------------------- Bruce Wilson 2010 Oregon Region Champ 2010 Monte Shelton Driver of the Year 2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill E3 and Under 2 liter Overall Champion Oregon Region SM Class Advisor
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