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Hey Folks...

Just wanted to drop a race report from Road Atlanta this last weekend.

We had 4 cars (not bad considering the weather and first time for ssm) and had the same finishing order both days.

1. Jeffrey Walter
2. Joseph Strong/Jason Holland
3. Steve Jones
4. Berny Pedersen

Everyone behaved on track and passed tech (minimal, basically just spec items)

The weather was pretty horrible but I think people had a good time, I know I did. I only had two sessions in the car this weekend but it included a really fun race with some BSI sm's in the sunday race.

My personal thoughts...

SSM is very liberating. I had more fun running SSM and here's why...

I tend to be a bit of a worrier, so I was always wondering when the motor was gonna blow or what part was gonna fail or whatever. That anxiety got worse the more money I put into the car and into parts like pro motors etc.

I think the feeling of liberation came from the fact that I didn't have to care about those things as much.

The engine was in a much lower state of tune and I wasn't worrying about wearing it out or blowing it up.

The car itself was MUCH cheaper and I felt more confident about my ability to repair or replace it if something bad happened.

Basically, I just worried less and had more fun.


I also felt good that (for the most part) we were all in the same ballpark in terms of power and prep etc. I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.

In the end, it was a lot of fun. You should try it!

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled tire bitch-fest. [Smile]

Thanks for listening...


Jason

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:


Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled tire bitch-fest. [Smile]


Jason

[rolling on floor laughin] [rolling on floor laughin]

I don't think anybody ever expects SSM to be perfect, but it does have some advantages. It already is looking like an early favorite in WDCR in both school and MARRS 1. [thumbsup]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:


I also felt good that (for the most part) we were all in the same ballpark in terms of power and prep etc. I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.

In the end, it was a lot of fun. You should try it!


Jason;
What did the competition look like versus the "regular SM" cars? In general, were the SSMs mid-pack or bringing up the rear?

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Till the first $25k SSM's hit the showroom floors... [yep]

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:
I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.


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Interesting title to the thread. Texas had 2 SSM races in January and 1 in February.

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Clifton,

Whoops. I meant in the SE Region.

You guys still have the honor! [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by G. Davis:
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:


Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled tire bitch-fest. [Smile]


Jason

[rolling on floor laughin] [rolling on floor laughin]

I don't think anybody ever expects SSM to be perfect, but it does have some advantages. It already is looking like an early favorite in WDCR in both school and MARRS 1. [thumbsup]

Glad to hear it Glenn...

Jason

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quote:
Originally posted by John Mueller:
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:


I also felt good that (for the most part) we were all in the same ballpark in terms of power and prep etc. I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.

In the end, it was a lot of fun. You should try it!


Jason;
What did the competition look like versus the "regular SM" cars? In general, were the SSMs mid-pack or bringing up the rear?

Kinda difficult to tell because of the conditions and there were lots of new people there that I didn't know their skill level or experience or prep level etc.

Overall, There were 14 spec miatas. 10 Regular and 4 SSM.

The first ssm (Jeffrey) placed 4th overall in that group, the second (me) placed 9th overall in that group and the third place ssm placed 13th overall.

So it was kind of spread out.

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quote:
Originally posted by SamBarnett:
Till the first $25k SSM's hit the showroom floors... [yep]

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:
I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.


I hear this one alot. Fine, if someone is stupid enough to spend 25k on an SSM to go slower (especially in this economy) then more power to them.

If, however, the dyno, the data acquisition, the radar gun (yeah, I've got one now!) or any other indicators are showing they have a significant advantage... I hope they don't mind tearing their car apart EACH and EVERY weekend. Down to the rod bolts.

I am COMMITTED to giving this concept a fair shake and we have the advantage the hindsight of seeing what has gone on in SM.

In the end, it needs to be a culture shift. If people want to keep it low cost and competitive, they will, and I will help.

It can be done.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:
quote:
Originally posted by SamBarnett:
Till the first $25k SSM's hit the showroom floors... [yep]

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:
I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.


I hear this one alot. Fine, if someone is stupid enough to spend 25k on an SSM to go slower (especially in this economy) then more power to them.

If, however, the dyno, the data acquisition, the radar gun (yeah, I've got one now!) or any other indicators are showing they have a significant advantage... I hope they don't mind tearing their car apart EACH and EVERY weekend. Down to the rod bolts.

I am COMMITTED to giving this concept a fair shake and we have the advantage the hindsight of seeing what has gone on in SM.

In the end, it needs to be a culture shift. If people want to keep it low cost and competitive, they will, and I will help.

It can be done.

+1

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I also felt good that (for the most part) we were all in the same ballpark in terms of power and prep etc. I like not having to keep up with the Joneses.

I believe you mean "keeping up with the Walters".

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:
The first ssm (Jeffrey) placed 4th overall in that group (SM), the second (me) placed 9th and the third place ssm placed 13th overall.

So it was kind of spread out.

Given the variables I'd say this is perfect. Some out here were worried the 3-to-6 SSM's would be way in back with only a few cars to race with.

I understand that results will vary, but I'm gonna start recruiting some SoCal 1.6's to come save $$ with me.

Thanks Jason!

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I was able to keep up with the JONES during Saturday's race, I just couldn't pass him...! [Big Grin]

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[QUOTE I understand that results will vary, but I'm gonna start recruiting some SoCal 1.6's to come save $$ with me. [/QB][/QUOTE]

I will be there with you as soon as I get my license and car finished.

Have a great day,
jared

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where did you have the motor sealed?

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The motor seal program has not been fully flushed-out yet, well at least in SoCal. Until it is tech will be looking for the spec parts (airbox, exhaust, ect).... Kinda psudo SSM [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by John Mueller:
The motor seal program has not been fully flushed-out yet, well at least in SoCal. Until it is tech will be looking for the spec parts (airbox, exhaust, ect).... Kinda psudo SSM [Smile]

is this the same for other regions?

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The Washington DC Region has one of the longest standing SSM progams to my knowledge. It is very well run and tightly controlled. The front running SSM cars tend to be within 1.0-1.5 seconds of the SM front running cars. However, since the SM and SSM fields are so large (45-50 car fields for each class) they each have their own Group. The following is a recent communication from Jim Thill indicating the two approved organizations for motor sealing.

"Both RP Performance and York Automotive can now tune and seal SSM racecars. Even if your car is sealed, you may want to have it re-tuned. The clockspring in the AFM can change in tension over the year and modify your A/F ratio. Remember you must race with the components you use at the dyno. That includes air filter and plug wires. The NGK BKR6E-11 spark plug must be used.

The 2009 SSM specifications and Administrative Rules are posted on the WDC SCCA website. You might want to take a few minutes to read them.
http://www.wdcr-scca.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=jf1hqpNpPvo%3d&tabid=73&mid=535"

Anyone in the process of developing a SSM class should take a close look at this well developed and highly successful program.

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quote:
Originally posted by skrzastek:
quote:
Originally posted by John Mueller:
The motor seal program has not been fully flushed-out yet, well at least in SoCal. Until it is tech will be looking for the spec parts (airbox, exhaust, ect).... Kinda psudo SSM [Smile]

is this the same for other regions?
All NASA regions will use the same dyno and seal protocol that is currently being developed.

I can't say the same for all SCCA regions but I suspect Atlanta Region will use the same procedure as NASA.

We are trying to develop the NASA protocol do be consistent with already developed programs.

thanks

Jason

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Is NASA protocol anything TCP/IP?

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:

All NASA regions will use the same dyno and seal protocol that is currently being developed.
[/QB][/QUOTE]

So for now, we don't need to have the motor sealed for NASA while the protocol is being developed, correct?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lance Snyder:
Is NASA protocol anything TCP/IP?

YES

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quote:
Originally posted by skrzastek:
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Holland:

All NASA regions will use the same dyno and seal protocol that is currently being developed.

So for now, we don't need to have the motor sealed for NASA while the protocol is being developed, correct? [/QB][/QUOTE]

That is correct. The car must be legal to all the rules currently published, however (spec parts etc)

Jason

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quote:
Originally posted by Lance Snyder:
Is NASA protocol anything TCP/IP?

Yes. It is currently TooConPhusing/InterwebsProduced, but we are working on it. [Smash]

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I've probably just missed it, but has a HP number been published (for SE)? Or is that part of the motor sealing that is TBD?

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Still TBD.

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Is there any talk of allowing the 1.8 cars to play in the SSM class ?

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Nope. One of the primary advantages of SSM is getting away from different engines, gears, weights, etc. We can eliminate the "car of the year" syndrome and start bitching about a whole different set of issues.

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So y'all are bored with bitching about the current issues and just need new issues to bitch about thus creating SSM?

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Yeah it's been 5 or 6 years for
Me now. I need new things to complain about.

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How could you run out with Devinney around?

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve D.:
Nope. One of the primary advantages of SSM is getting away from different engines, gears, weights, etc. We can eliminate the "car of the year" syndrome and start bitching about a whole different set of issues.

The WDCR document mentions 1.8 rules. Are they now allowed in SSM?

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They are allowed, but the rules are written to make them un competative. A good driver in a legal 1.8 will never beat a good driver in a 1.6.

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Sorry - I should have been clearer. NASA SSM is a 1.6-only class.

Steve D.

   

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