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Mike Anzaldi
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There has been relatively little discussion about the contact that seemed to define the event for quite a few. Being new to SCCA SM, I ask: Is this it? Is this type of contact really a part of the game? I can certainly appreciate all the discussion about making ten years worth of cars equal, but seeing that we can't seem to agree that all the 99's are equal, I think it's worth shifting some attention to racing safety- if there ever was an oxymoron. All of those in favor of 60 car fields have conveniently ignored the fact that this race was diminished by the impromptu yard sale taking place all over the countryside. This doesn't include those who crashed and were able to carry on. Two full-course cautions erased 5 laps of racing. Seeing that the race for a podium is ultimately between 20 cars or so, I'm wondering: what's the upside to a 60-car field? Big participation might be good, but shitty races are bad. In another thread, someone said the fields for the championship races are made up of less than 1% of the nationwide participants. People who struggle to keep control of their machine while trying to chase down positions they will never catch are a problem. Way too many dudes driving way over their heads because it's the 'big race.'

Contact in this class is much too acceptable, IMO. I honestly think that rational thinking and decision making is secondary to passing and moving through the field for some drivers. Patience and consistency is tough to come by outside of the top 10 in my region. I would be all for the club coming down hard on contact. Avoidable contact should be worth a seat on the sidelines. That said, if the contact is part of the class- that's fine, I can simply decide to move to a class where it is not tolerated. Love me a formula car [thumbsup] This is casual club racing and many of us have little kids, and other reasons to live. Swapping paint with loonies shouldn't even be on the menu.

Here is a link to a little bit of video from my car. It all goes wrong at the 1:45 mark. Sideways at 85mph through grass is a recipe for rolling over 5 times. I have no interest in assigning blame here. It is, however, dumb luck that the car is not totaled and I'm not injured. Not my idea of good times. this was the fight for a mid-20's position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxYogyB_370

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Did you protest? If not - why not?

(PS, I don't think you can categorize the Runoffs as "casual club racing")

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Did you file a protest on the driver that made contact with you? I know this is not about placing blame, just curious if you did follow the due process to address the incident?

Edit: Mr. Mathias and I obviously think alike here, you beat me to it...

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I was thinking the same thing. Did anyone file paper on any driver conduct at the Runoffs.

This isn't just a Runoffs problem. At all levels, this class races very close to one another. I think from now on I am just going to have the protest paperwork already started for section 6.11.1 A, B, C and D and taped to the rear quarter pannel on each side of my car. Maybe even in a stack of peel and stick post it note style just to keep up with the volume?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Anzaldi:
People who struggle to keep control of their machine while trying to chase down positions they will never catch are a problem. Way too many dudes driving way over their heads because it's the 'big race.'

You outbraked yourself off track at 1:30, bumpdrafted in the turn at 1:55, and other guys are the ones pushing too hard?

I don't believe the contact was your fault, but were you moving to the right just a bit? I never saw the wheel straighten out. [scratchchin]

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Yeah that was crap.

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I think SM did better than this class:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZxEleuPPc

At least the field got past the green flag!

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Originally posted by CLee:
I think SM did better than this class:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZxEleuPPc

At least the field got past the green flag!

I heard that crash was the result of a drive train failure by a car in the front row, not the result of rough driving.

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No. I didn't protest. I hate being that guy. I protested some guy for running Toyo 888's at the June Sprints because he couldn't read the rule book. I felt like an idiot doing it. Imagine...a grown man telling other grown men about a grown man who wasn't playing by the rules. It took 2 hours of my time and didn't do a goddamn thing except make me feel like a 6 year old. I completely respect that the process is to protest, but I just couldn't spend anymore time in front of stewards complaining. I'm protesting right here, right now. I'm not pissed, and I don't really care about finishing 35th or 25th. I just want to continue to have the time of my life in my lovely Drago race car without substantial risk of bodily harm or death. Rubbin is not racin- despite what they say in the movies. Race car driving is not for everybody. It's really hard to lap a Miata quickly, and it's humbling trying to do it on the same track as some of the country's best amateur drivers in the class. I just think that it's worth everyone's time and safety to think about your hobby, and whether it's the right way to spend time and money. You shouldn't take a spot on the grid of a race track because you can afford it, and need to get out of the house. There should be more. Seems like the same folks end up in the wall every time. My point is: reel it in, for all our sake. Banging your way through a spec Miata field doesn't make you as cool as you think it does.

This is directed at NO ONE in particular, so I don't really want to hear from the moderators about how I'm being rude or disrespectful, Blake [Wink]

Just trying to start a dialog about safety. I really want to continue to race, and race in SCCA. I like that club and think they do an exceptional job. However, I won't come back to the SCCA next year if this culture of wrecking is the norm. The Sprints were the same story. I don't really care that it was a wet track. Drive slower.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve D.:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Anzaldi:
People who struggle to keep control of their machine while trying to chase down positions they will never catch are a problem. Way too many dudes driving way over their heads because it's the 'big race.'

You outbraked yourself off track at 1:30, bumpdrafted in the turn at 1:55, and other guys are the ones pushing too hard?

I don't believe the contact was your fault, but were you moving to the right just a bit? I never saw the wheel straighten out. [scratchchin]

glad you pointed that one out steve. seeing that i'm the one who compiled my video, it wasn't a mistake that i included my idiot rookie move in turn 5 while trying to get past my teammate and friend of 20 years. we were also on the radio during the whole race, and obviously, during that pass attempt. knowing my friend wouldn't punt my attempt, i tried the pass. the big loser: me. no one was at risk of colliding during that exchange. i went wide, period. i don't have issues with people going wide trying to stick a pass. i have issues with CRASHING. you can push till you shit your pants so long as it doesn't result in a CRASH. you are mistaken about the bump draft before the crash.

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Mike,

If you just want to have fun, do what I do and stick to regional events.

If you don't care where you finish then why do you enter the championship event? Because you can?

Most of us hate contact too - we've had that discussion here many times. In the SCCA if you don't protest, nothing happens - just the way it is.

By the way - this is a substantially risky hobby.

"Drive slower" ?!? I'm afraid I don't understand.

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Hard to tell for sure, but your re-entry to the track around 1:30 didn't look very safe. You came back on track right at the track out point and the silver car had to avoid you.

What happened between you and the black car is hard to tell, but it looks like both of you decided to get close when you had room to create a gap between you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Anzaldi:
no one was at risk of colliding during that exchange.

I agree, you were not going to hit another car when you went out of bounds. However, when someone fights a spin like that it can easily stack up traffic behind, leading to other problems. Luckily, the several cars behind you were able to get through cleanly as you wrestled with a couple hands full of wheel.

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you are mistaken about the bump draft before the crash.
Sorry, I was watching your helmet when I made that assumption. I guess you were nodding to the car ahead? (Like this, only a little faster? [yep] ) [Roll Eyes]

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And that car that took him out is the same car that took out someone in canada corner earlier in the video. Same guy 3 cars out of the race, not including himself who also didn't finish the race.

I wasn't one of the cars, at least not on that day. In Q3 I was taken out by someone trying to be a hero, in qualifying at that. He lost it before he ever turned in to 14 and continued trying to save it until he took me out at the exit of 14 and put me in the wall drivers right.

The sad thing is none of these incidents caught the attention of the stewards from what I understand. During the race there were also several passes under yellow, two people (at least) passed 6 plus cars under double yellow at start finish and the stewards did nothing until someone protested. It shouldn't be that way, I don't care if there is a protest procedure or not.

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quote:
Originally posted by Motor City Hamilton:
quote:
Originally posted by CLee:
I think SM did better than this class:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZxEleuPPc

At least the field got past the green flag!

I heard that crash was the result of a drive train failure by a car in the front row, not the result of rough driving.
That is correct, Heinrecy on the outside pole had a mechanical failure leading to the chaos.

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Two Problems:

First; I pulled up my grid sheet you started directly in the middle of the "kill zone". People that want to win, think they can, but have absolutely zero chance in reality. Back there I would recommend survival and minimize your risks with side by side action with people who are unknowns (or known crazy)

Second; I think this years format allowed way too many unqualified persons to participate. Some people were just over their head. Before this year, I went through the entry list, reviewed drivers experience and noted everyone I wanted to avoid. I only whacked one knucklehead on Saturday practice sending him around and wrinkling my fender.

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I have multiple issues with this thread. But first, I don't disagree that there are too many crashes in SM. That's part of the reason I chose to concentrate entirely on enduro racing as a PTE car--I just got tired of doing bodywork.

Now on to the issues:

First, you didn't protest because you didn't want to me "that guy." If it's a big enough deal that you spend 20 minutes writing about it on SM.com, it's worth 20 minutes of time at the track filling out a protest form.

Second, crashes normally happen when you "push till you shit your pants" so you can't really say that you're okay with that as long as it doesn't result in a crash. No one intends to crash, but it happens. I think this was just a bad choice of words on your part, because usually if someone is pushing till they shit their pants, it means they're driving past their limits. Personally I try not to scare myself while driving. I think what you meant is push as hard as you want as long as it's within your limits and

Third, an old saying about throwing stones in glass houses comes to mind. Your opportunistic passing at the 0:30 mark in the video is easily the most egregious thing I saw in the entire video. It didn't look like you checked up at all when two cars went off ahead of you. You just plowed right through the field. THAT's how crashes happen!

Finally, SCCA's practices regarding contact are kind of ridiculous. I started racing NASA where they have a very strict body contact rule--you have contact with damage and you have to fill out a body contact report. By the time of my first SCCA race I hadn't had any contact whatsoever in a NASA race, but that all changed at SCCA. My first SCCA race, I had door to door contact with someone trying to close the door after I was well alongside. After the race I ask an SCCA official where to get a body contact form. He looked at me like I asked him where to find unobtainium. He asked if I wanted to file a protest. I said no, we had already talked it over. He said "you're good then."

The moral of this story is that the only way to properly document who may not be driving safely is to actually DOCUMENT THE CRASHES. You start racking up body contact forms and you're going to get put on probation, suspended or even banned entirely. But it all starts with documentation. Not only that, but requiring a body contact form is a pretty decent deterrent to having contact, because who wants to be filling out paperwork after a race?

I'm not trying to start an SCCA vs. NASA discussion, but there are definitely things that each sanctioning body can learn from the other. And one thing SCCA can learn from NASA is how to properly document crashes with an eye toward avoiding future issues.

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Tim I worked with the SOC and can tell you that passes under the yellow were called in all week by corner workers, as well as passes under the red! Drivers were stopped at the end of pit lane, questioned, and in some cases fined before they ever left the pit lane. I for one am sick and tired of people bitching about contact and passes under the yellow and then not throwing paper because they hate "being that guy." If you want more contact called in and dealt with....tell your area director and stewards.

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Well, okay.

It hadn't occurred to me that it would actually be my driving that stands out as suspect in this video. It's good to know. Maybe I'm one more reason why an open field at the Runoffs is worth a discussion.

Since I'm the one who could use a refresher in safe, gentlemanly racing, please offer suggestions for improving my racing and reducing my recklessness. I prefer to NOT be part of the problem, and some of these responses have really turned me around about this issue. I'm still not sure how my driving in this video actually caused crashes, but I'm still in the room and will listen with an open mind to any who can explain how my actions created an unsafe environment for the racers beside me.

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Rob - IMO the idea of a Body Contact form for all contacts is a GREAT starting point - the document trail starts here. This should be mandatory.

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quote:
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Tim I worked with the SOC and can tell you that passes under the yellow were called in all week by corner workers, as well as passes under the red! Drivers were stopped at the end of pit lane, questioned, and in some cases fined before they ever left the pit lane. I for one am sick and tired of people bitching about contact and passes under the yellow and then not throwing paper because they hate "being that guy." If you want more contact called in and dealt with....tell your area director and stewards.

I didn't say they were not called in by the corner workers, I said nothing was done until someone protested and it should not be that way. The driver that passed me, as well as about 8 others, under double yellow was not stopped at the end of pit lane. That's great that others were but didn't happen in this case. And I have to say 4 off in the grass from the top of the hill all the way to turn one at full speed when the double yellow was out at 14 should probably draw the attention of stewards without someone protesting. As far as you being sick and tired maybe you should take some medicine and a nap. This particular driver was protested and penalized so your comment about people bitching and not protesting because they don't want to be that guy is just a bit uncalled for.

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Mike,

Your actions didn't necessarily cause crashes, but that doesn't meant they won't. It's all a numbers game. Someone may get away with a risky move 9 times out of 10, but that doesn't mean it's advisable.

A few things that you could have done differently to reduce your risk of crashing:

0:30 Checking up. If you ever find yourself playing Pole Position with the guys in front of you (that's an Atari reference for the tweens in our audience) then you haven't check up enough.

0:46 Checking up when the silver car moves over on you. Yes, you had the momentum, but what if he hadn't seen you and stopped his move? Side by side contact with you in the grass (and the wall).

1:35 Keeping your car off track until it's safe to re-enter and/or re-entering after the track out point.

2:00 Don't even hint at fading to the right. You had plenty of space on your left. Use it.

These moves are only suggestions to keep you safe. They won't win you races, but they'll keep you coming back to race again and again.

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Mike,

I'd like to understand better the positions of the cars when you touched. Judging from your view of the car ahead, it looks to me like you were a little left of center, with maybe a car width to your left. And also it looks to me like you squeezing toward the right side of the track as you nose ahead of the #140. The squeezing is hard to judge, but I'm looking at the relationship of your right mirror to the right side of track. Is that accurate?

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I think I see the same things. No solid rev match causes your spin, then you DO bump the car in front of you in the turn - which COULD have resulted in him going off...

As to the black car, the hit seems way harder than anyone just moving in on someone. If that guy ounted someone prior (see his LF damange?) I am sure he whacked you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Anzaldi:
... but I'm still in the room and will listen with an open mind to any who can explain how my actions created an unsafe environment for the racers beside me.

[thumbsup] I commend you for that attitude.

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Sometimes the contact is just unavoidable racing contact. The first full course caution was just that. In this instance there was no need to "throw paper". The two drivers in question have raced each other multiple times in the past couple of years and had a good conversation, both of them agreeing on what happened.
This was not a driver driving over his head, or one that has contact while racing. We have been racing the same car for four years and havent had to do any body work or paint work the entire time. He finished third this year in MiDiv behind Kyle Jones, and Jim Drago. Yes he was starting towards the back, but it was from transmission issues in qualifying. I can promise you it wasn't from him "driving over his head because its the Big Race"!

The funny thing about all of this is that we should be pissed off. He made it about half a lap, and now I have a trailer full of scrap metal. We are a very low budget team that has taken a 1.6 to the RunOffs two years now, but looks like 2011 will be spent at home saving up to build another car instead of complaining about making the 1.6 competitive!!

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For me the race was quite a letdown because of some of the contact you can see in Mikeís video.

Iíll also say the driver of car # 40 really could use the ďtipsĒ Mike is getting. I would post my video but, the stewards have it. I knew the drive bomb was coming @ 31 seconds as soon as he didn't get in line to brake for Canada corner. I had seen enough of him by that point to know what was coming next. Sure enough he shot past me on the inside with all 4 locked up and used the #22 car as brakes. Had I not over slowed I would be fixing my car as well. #40 was 4 off again in the grass in turn 3. Then, he appeared again in my rear view at turn 1 and two more cars ended up with damage and in the grass. Finally, the #40 car protested the #7 car for contact. I gave the #7 my video.

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Wow. I cannot believe how much abuse all of you are throwing at this guy. Let's just avoid talking about the real issues of real contact and pound on a guy for wanting to talk about fixing things. Yes, I agree that his move at :30 was pretty agressive, but please, what should he have done differently with the other two situations. He over shot a corner by a few feet and re-entered the track at a nice smooth angle. It wasn't like he was off in the weeds for twenty seconds. Everyone behind him saw him go off and could see him easing back on. And the crash... we are analyzing if he moved over a smidge to the right. Come on. He got planted! Was the 140 car pissed at him for some reason? Where did the 140 car damage come from prior to this incident. The 140 car had two lanes to the inside yet noone is putting him at fault. Unbelieveable.

Mike, you were a little agressive in one spot on your video. The rest, I see your point. I would have protested getting sent like that in such a straight part of the track. Just uncalled for. There has to be more to this story that what we saw on the video.

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Sometimes the contact is just unavoidable racing contact.

Not commenting on your crash in particular, but in my experience I have yet to see one of these.

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Motor city,
It was car #40 (the dark blue car you are calling #140) I am talking about. Mikes car is #81. #40's dive bomb caused the crash in canada.

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rob-

thanks for the input.

couple of things:
i appreciate your opinion about canada. not sure if you are saying i should have simply parked behind that mess?

front straight...really? i should have checked up on drago in the first 1/3 of the longest straight on the track just in case he wanted to move to the left side of the road? listen, i'm all for car racing. i didn't mean to indicate otherwise.

in 5 i checked my re-entry path twice to make sure it was safe. 5 was a non-issue. it was a stupid racing mistake, but it was not unsafe.

thank you for the feedback. i really do appreciate it. i not spouting bullshit here because i'm excited about myself. it's way more important to me to be known as a safe, gentleman racer than to be in the top ten. that said, i won't roll over and play dead while the rest of the field carries on about the business of car racing. I have competence in the race car and haven't caused a collusion all season. now i've been involved in a proper car crash, and want to make sure it wasn't my actions that led to it.

i absolutely stand corrected about my bump of the car in front at 1. watched it again and sure enough, i bumped him. not sure how that tap could possibly be criticized by this bunch in this context, but i accept 100% of the responsibility for any grey colored scrape of that fellas bumper cover. does that diminish the greater point? possibly.

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quote:
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rob-

front straight...really? i should have checked up on drago in the first 1/3 of the longest straight on the track just in case he wanted to move to the left side of the road?

A little extenuating circumstances... I built Mikes car and we know each other well. He even called me an a$Shole a few months ago [Big Grin]

I knew it was you and Shawn coming through. I moved as close as I could in hopes of sucking some side draft after my spin. You can see I got to where you had a lane and stopped. Had I kept coming, yes check up, but I didn't. So I think you were perfect there. I dont think you were ever to worried about me hitting you either [Big Grin] Had it been a guy with dented up left side of the car or you have no experience with, maybe check up [Eek!]
Well actually, if you ever see me coming, check up or just move over for me OK? [thumbsup] [duck]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Anzaldi:
rob-

thanks for the input.

couple of things:
i appreciate your opinion about canada. not sure if you are saying i should have simply parked behind that mess?

front straight...really? i should have checked up on drago in the first 1/3 of the longest straight on the track just in case he wanted to move to the left side of the road? listen, i'm all for car racing. i didn't mean to indicate otherwise.

in 5 i checked my re-entry path twice to make sure it was safe. 5 was a non-issue. it was a stupid racing mistake, but it was not unsafe.

thank you for the feedback. i really do appreciate it. i not spouting bullshit here because i'm excited about myself. it's way more important to me to be known as a safe, gentleman racer than to be in the top ten. that said, i won't roll over and play dead while the rest of the field carries on about the business of car racing. I have competence in the race car and haven't caused a collusion all season. now i've been involved in a proper car crash, and want to make sure it wasn't my actions that led to it.

i absolutely stand corrected about my bump of the car in front at 1. watched it again and sure enough, i bumped him. not sure how that tap could possibly be criticized by this bunch in this context, but i accept 100% of the responsibility for any grey colored scrape of that fellas bumper cover. does that diminish the greater point? possibly.

I believe I qualified my notes by saying that these are ways to avoid crashing, and not necessarily ways to win races. Your original post discussed crashing at the runoffs and how it can be avoided. The items I noted are where you got a little lucky not to have crashed.

And yes, you should check up if a car is moving into your lane and they're ahead of you. At the 0:47 mark, a silver or white car (can't tell which color) makes an aggressive move to the left toward your lane. This isn't a "just in case he wanted to move to the left" situation. He was moving to the left--fast. If he hadn't stopped moving, you would have hit him. You had to have thought at that moment "oh crap, he's about to move in front of me and I'm going to hit him." If you had that thought and then just got lucky since he stopped moving into your lane, that's a problem (as pertains to avoiding crashing). If you didn't have that thought, I'm not sure what to tell you. I just know it's the first thing I thought when I saw the video.

On Canada, I'm not saying park it. That's one extreme. The other extreme is what you did: maintaining most if not all momentum and weaving in and out of 3 cars all jockeying for position. Again, as it pertains to crashing, that's not a good way not to crash.

Finally, take all of these things with a grain of salt, because it's tough to gauge situations from video alone, and even tougher when viewed through a Fish-Eye lens. Everything looks closer using those lenses.

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My two cents...

Only two incidents that are really worth a comment:

Canada Corner @ 0:30: I know it's easy to armchair QB, but you were extremely lucky to get through the back-up without causing a lot more damage. Great heads-up driving by the two slower cars to hold their lanes & let you slide through. If you could have followed the black car down the inside, that would have been a lot less unsettling/safer, but it all happens too quickly to really second-guess anyone.

Turn 2? @ 2:00: First off, I think that's called a turn in the short chute. But I don't see ANY good reason for the #40 car to hit you there.... Whether that guy was twittering, texting his girlfriend or ran out of talent.... that looked like a punt & justified a good explanation or throwing paper. [twocents]

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At 2:00: Better to survive the race than get turned around.

Regardless of which driver might have been at fault, it served little purpose to squeeze the #40 right. Especially if you suspected him to be a wild card. You would have been clear of him soon enough. So use the whole road, and minimize the chances of the other driver taking you out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Drago:
I dont think you were ever to worried about me hitting you either [Big Grin] Had it been a guy with dented up left side of the car...

hilarious!

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hey Mike;
Great driving all around - these guys are all full of excrement; they love to critique themselves brushing their teeth.
you were a victim of the kill zone, next time qualify up front , much more civilized bunch.
hey Drago - that car sounded like (and pulled like) a Cosworth BDA ... how many overhead cams??
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I wish to comment on the 60+ SM entries and "rookies" at the runoffs. I spend lots of time at RA, running 50 plus car races with PCA and SVRA. Both of these orginizations have the 13/13 rule and ENFORCE it, with extremely competitive racing. When you run the races with these groups, you go to the grid with a positive feeling about finishing with success. The runoffs feel was "I hope I miss the big-one!" I wish we had a ZERO-bump-draft rule, penalizing for contact and disciplinary action. I am a firm believer our races would be cleaner, faster and we'd finish with a waving CHECKERED flag! Hell, I go what we call a "bump-draft" at the apex of the kink, try that at any other event, or class.

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quote:
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I wish to comment on the 60+ SM entries and "rookies" at the runoffs. I spend lots of time at RA, running 50 plus car races with PCA and SVRA. Both of these orginizations have the 13/13 rule and ENFORCE it, with extremely competitive racing. When you run the races with these groups, you go to the grid with a positive feeling about finishing with success. The runoffs feel was "I hope I miss the big-one!" I wish we had a ZERO-bump-draft rule, penalizing for contact and disciplinary action. I am a firm believer our races would be cleaner, faster and we'd finish with a waving CHECKERED flag! Hell, I go what we call a "bump-draft" at the apex of the kink, try that at any other event, or class.

It's too bad my camera didn't work during the race. This would have been a good place to post some of the video. It would not be kind to several people. I saw some real bone-headed moves (both in the race and during Wednesday's qualifying) by guys who probably consider themselves wiley veterans. Stuff that would get you in hot water in a driver's school that you wouldn't expect from an experienced group like this. There's a big difference between the ability to cut a fast lap in qualifying and driving in traffic (off-line) and/or in less than perfect conditions. Some guys need to work on that along with their decision making. Road America is a place that will punish even small mistakes in some places. It's a track that demands respect for the course and other drivers moreso than others.

I'll give credit where credit is due. Chris Puskar (whom I have never met) and I passed each other a couple times as we moved within the pack. It became obvious to me after the first restart that he was making good decisions in tight spots. I think I returned the favor. We both benefitted.

It's a real same the event wasn't run under green and to conclusion. What's even worse is that no action that I know of was taken on the metal to metals and several yellow flag passing infractions (which were called in by corner workers). It reminded me of a playoff hockey game where the refs put away the whistles.

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Matt

this was the sign that greeted us as we drove up top the grid. Guess some of us need glasses as it appears that many (including myself) forgot all about that sign once the green flag waved

thanks to my wonderful wife Kim for this priceless shot

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Danny,
Quit "clowin' around", wait that's somebodies tie-dyed creation. Most drivers were looking away, not at the sign. Ha Ha Ha

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NASA allows bump drafting. I feel it improves safety, because it helps sort out the field better. I also love the dynamic it adds to racing strategy.

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Just woke up from my nap....anything exciting going on?

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what's deal with #12 at :58 moving over to the left while you and shawn young are frieght training right by him? i was waiting for that contact...


you and the black car.... i don't know...you're very lucky the car didn't get torn up any more.

btw...what year is the car? 2001-2005???

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marc-
i believe my car to be 1999. great car, great build.

paul-
you didn't miss anything. i still don't want to be "that guy", but i did pick up the support of 'guest driver'.

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does anybody have video of the mess exiting the kink in lap one?

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Mike,
I'd race door to door with you anytime. Great driving! That engine sounds AWESOME.

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Mike,I would have done the same thing as you!People it's called leaving the door open!

What I mean is,if there is enough room for a car it's mine!The number 40 car is at fault he should have lifted and never had made contact,his front tire was already behind the pass.side door!

Mike you would have caught the car but he double hit you,first to get you sideway's and then again when you were sideway's.

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no, but i got pretty good video of the crash at the end of Mike's video... I'm the first car through, the red with black top you see when he stops in the grass... I was catching this battle pretty quick. the video could be better, but I saw it coming a mile away and checked up a bit at the exit at 1.

No, I have no plans of posting it... If I posted it, it would be for a different reason completely! And I'd back it up a lap...

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Anybody have video of my brother, Mark Pombo getting turned coming into turn 5 before the brake zone at 120 mph while in 5th place? I heard he had 2 nice 360's to the inside that he saved off the wall, plus he managed to not take out the field (or the person that turned him).

His video quit working on lap 1....

 
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