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Dave Gomberg
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Although the Racing Memo has the intent correct, in the rush to get it out, we made an error in the referenced section. 9.4.7.D should be 9.4.D. There will be a corrected memo issued sometime today.

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***SUBJECT: Correction to roll cage side protection specification
Effective immediately, in GCR 9.4.7.D, add a new second sentence:
Tubes that are welded to any part of the same mounting plate are considered to be connected to one another (see 9.4.E.3 below).***

Please help me understand. As I read the GCR, GCR 9.4.7.D. is a corrected rule added in Apendix G for 2007 Roll Cage Rules for cars registered before 1/1/08. How are cars registered after 1/1/08 covered by this corrected rule? [Confused]

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Thanks Dave

Still [Confused] & have another question. Cars registered after 1/1/08 require the roll cage be attached to the floor pan/rocker boxes. By glossary definition the floor pan is normally used as a platform for seats. Taking another step if a car to be registered after 1/1/08 & has the main hoop attached to the top of the package shelf that seems to leave the question that the main hoop is not attached to the floor pan/rocker boxes. Stretching the package shelf main hoop mounting plate from the package shelf to the floor pan would exceed the allowed 15 inch length of the mounting pad. On a 1990 Miata the vertical height from the package shelf to the floor pan is 14 inches.

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Dave Gomberg
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This is the part of the roll cage rules you are citing.
E. ROLL CAGE ATTACHING POINTS
1. AMERICAN SEDAN, IMPROVED TOURING, SHOWROOM STOCK, SPEC MIATA, AND TOURING CLASSES–The roll cage must attach to the vehicle structure (floor pan/ rocker boxes) within the passenger compartment in a minimum of 6 points and a maximum of 8 points as specified in these rules.

The "floor pan/rocker boxes" is in parentheses and are only examples of parts of the vehicle structure within the passenger compartment to which the cage may be attached.

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I'd like to thank everyone involved for the quick resolution on this, very well done! Mike Smith, Dave McAnaney and others went the extra mile to make it happen.

-John

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who was the tech inspector that raised hell Sean?

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I actually don't know. I think it might have been someone in the San Jose area.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dan:
who was the tech inspector that raised hell Sean?

I find it ironic that people in this thread are framing the tech inspector as the "bad guy" but every other thread complains there isn't enough tech to catch the cheaters. Funny how feelings about tech changes when the finger points back atcha! [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Smith:


RACING MEMO
DATE: February 18, 2010 NUMBER: RM 10-02
FROM: Club Racing Board
TO: All Participants
SUBJECT: Correction to roll cage side protection specification
Effective immediately, in GCR 9.4.7.D, add a new second sentence:
Tubes that are welded to any part of the same mounting plate are considered to be connected to one another (see 9.4.E.3 below).
SPORTS CAR CLUB OF AMERICA, INC
PO Box 19400, Topeka, KS 66619-0400
(800)

I could have sworn that this was in prior GCR's? Did it get dropped along the way or was I just dreaming?

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There was (maybe still there, not worth looking for) a reference to the fact that you could weld as many tubes to any plate, and they did not constitute additional cage attach points.

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Brian,

My guess is that you are not calling people with the questioned cage "Cheaters" and you are just pointing out that the poor tech guy was just doing his job. You are right, the tech inspector was doing what he was suppose to do, follow the GCR and we should be praising him instead of nailing him to the cross. I myself was caught up in that mess and took the word of others when I built my cage instead of following the GCR to the letter. For myself a lesson was learned. I am however glad the rules have been adjusted. I did a lot of research of cage designs and built my cage using a little bit of all the designs. I certainly didn't do this without considering my safety first. I " Thank All " involved with putting this to rest.

George Munson

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***Although the Racing Memo has the intent correct, in the rush to get it out, we made an error in the referenced section. 9.4.7.D should be 9.4.D. There will be a corrected memo issued sometime today.

Dave***

Racing Memo:

***SUBJECT: Correction to roll cage side protection specification
Effective immediately, in GCR 9.4.7.D, add a new second sentence:
Tubes that are welded to any part of the same mounting plate are considered to be connected to one another (see 9.4.E.3 below).***

Has the reveised memo been issued & or posted? If so where? [help]

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quote:
Originally posted by David Dewhurst:
Has the reveised memo been issued & or posted? If so where? [help]

It is in Club Racing Rules section
Here is the direct link

Dennis

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Dennis, I also found it there today.

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Viet-Tam Luu
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Well put, George and Brian.

quote:
Originally posted by George Munson:
My guess is that you are not calling people with the questioned cage "Cheaters" and you are just pointing out that the poor tech guy was just doing his job. You are right, the tech inspector was doing what he was suppose to do, follow the GCR and we should be praising him instead of nailing him to the cross. I myself was caught up in that mess and took the word of others when I built my cage instead of following the GCR to the letter. For myself a lesson was learned. I am however glad the rules have been adjusted. I did a lot of research of cage designs and built my cage using a little bit of all the designs. I certainly didn't do this without considering my safety first. I " Thank All " involved with putting this to rest.


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