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Matt Weisberg Verified Driver
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I'm not going to go into it here. You can read it for yourselves at:

http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6669&st=0

This is a serious issue for all of us in the affected regions. Let's make sure they don't take races away from us. We're losing the battle though and we could use your support.

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Is your info accurate? To what benefit would this occur? Just asking? Lack of workers?

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Matt, I read the entire thread. Nobody is "taking races away from us". It looks like they are trying to make "points" races more evenly distributed within the division. You should still have the same number of races at the same tracks put on by the same regions, just not all of them will be SARRC or NATIONAL points races.

Go cry wolf somewhere else.

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Mike,

I wish that were true but it isn't. Florida would lose one National and four SAARRC races. Remember it's two per region, not per track. You'll also noticed if you read the whole thread that the actual proposal is posted which backs that up. I am not crying wolf. Just stating the facts.

This is about Alabama and South Carolina regions wanting races and revenue. They've already reluctantly admitted that. They just can't compete unless they make the NC and FL racers and workers come out of region t their races.

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Pdmracing,

See above response. These other regions that have been masquerading as "racing regions" want an equal share of the racing revenue but have no tracks and a miniscule percentage of the drivers and workers. SC had to cancel their race becuase they couldn't even find a race chairman. The only way to pull it off is to restrict the other markets, limit races and make their races the "only game in town". Unfortunately their WAY out of town for many of us especially in NC and Florida. It's socialism, through and through. And those are not my words.

What it also does, is put more than half the races at one track, Roebling Road, which convienently becomes the home track of four or five regions. They end up with 3 nationals and as many as 13 SARRCS. The good news is most see this as a ridiculous proposal. The bad news is that we have looked at it and we're actually behind on the vote given that there are too many regions inside of that small area of GA/SC.

You also have to remember that the officials involved in this actively and openly denied this proposal was discussed or contemplated. When I published a written copy of the proposal that Fred Clark sent in July they all retreated and stopped talking. Haven't heard a word publicly from one of them since that was published.

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read the full thread in the IT fourum..

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We need support from Florida and North Carolina drivers because they are still pushing this race distribution idea. We can't let it happen. Here's the problem. Florida has 50% of the drivers and workers for ALL of the SEDIV. This leaves the rest of the divisions (13 of them) up to the North Carolina state line left to split up around 25% of the drivers and workforce with Florida and North Carolina folks staying closer to home. The only way they can forsee smaller regions putting on races or even the larger ones doing so is to limit competition and/or force the North Carolina and Florida drivers and workers to attend races further from home.

This is actually a bigger issue for North Carolina than Florida. Florida simply won't stand for it and has all the resources to split. We've got gobs of cash, four tracks, two of them legendary with enormous drawing power, and as stated earlier, over 50% of all of SEDIV resources for workers and drivers. This would be a devastating blow to the SEDIV but I'm sure that CFFR wouldn't bat an eye in such an undertaking should they be pushed.

Please try and make it to Jeckyll Island for the meeting on the 20-22 of January. The "secret meeting" is being held at a different location. It is at the Jeckyll Island club at 6:30 on Friday.

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http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7049

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Same Circus, different animals huh Matt?

There will be representation at the "meeting" if it happens, but there are other proposals that make sense that will be circulating shortly that will NOT impact the Florida and Central Florida Regions racing schedules. NOT impacting the two Jumbo Regions schedules will be paramount, after all, with over half the drivers and workers coming from those two regions, events held without our participation would be marginal at best. Working together to help the non racing Regions is one thing, but giving up more than we already have could result in a serious backlash.

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Krys,

It's not my circus, it's Barry Hair's. I have the Creighton proposal and I like it but last I talked to him he was not invited to the Friday night meeting and reception of his plan was problematic. Good for us actually because apparently Buccaneer sort of liked it from what I heard but Barry and his crew of course didn't. Remember, Barry has 1.392 of the drivers and even less of the workforce. This guy needs to be put in his place. If you don't want to do it fine. I'll gladly take responsibility for telling him what you need to be a racing region. You as a regional rep need to start stepping up and doing more than scolding people for riding motorbikes too fast in the paddock. You lost me as a member and you will be losing three workers who came to see me this past weekend as well who I convinced to join CFR. Your flagging chief is driving a lot of people away, just FYI.

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The sky is falling again!!!!!


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Matt, Like I said, same circus different animals. I am not a Regional representative, just a member who happens to be a steward and a driver and one who thinks ALL of the rules need to be observed whether it is speeding in the paddock or rough driving. I'll be at the meeting, if there is one, and if I don't like what I hear I will speak up, but I won't make threats or call names I'll leave that to you, or do you only do that from the anonymity of the computer forum?

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Krys,

Let's just agree to work together to make sure things work out best for Florida. K?

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Well the sad part is after all the denials by REs and those involved in pushing this plan what they said would or could never happen, happened. The plan got put on the Jeckyll agenda. I started worrying the minute they said it was impossible.

So, the invitation only meeting on Friday will deal with this plan. I'm not invited nor or any of the dissenters. I've been told if I show up I will be arrested and the police will be present to make sure. Barry Hair has been calling all the little non-racing regions looking for support and votes and probably wins if there is any vote down the road. There's 14 of them and four of us all with the same voting power. Some of these regions only have one or two licensed members. It's a joke.

I got burned again trusting officials' word. Pretty sad and little to do about it now. Look for Florida to split from the division if Barry gets his way. What NOrth Carolina will do will be interesting. NEDIV? Bottom line is this plan is a disaster waiting to happen all because a RE from Alabama with no track, 25 drivers and 21 workers wants to put on races in Georgia for income. And he thinks restricting those regions North and South of him will force our drivers and workers to his events. He even wants to throw a national. HA! Good luck. Let's see how many workers and drivers show up for yet another lame national at Roebling when Florida has six nationals! Just a stupid, stupid plan.

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quote:
Originally posted by Matt Weisberg:
Krys,

Let's just agree to work together to make sure things work out best for Florida. K?

Did you say that Matt? WOW [Wink]

Regardless of the area, drivers need as many events close to their home as the club and their regions can support. Never, for any reason especially car count, should members be asked to drop a local event in order to drive away from home to support a distant region.

Otherwise, we would not have regions and divisions and little tracks like the Mid-South region races at would be crying for you all to race here. A region that is lucky to get 100 total national and regional cars and cannot hold an event unless some of the drivers provide workers.

You wont drop races to visit/support my region, nor should you (our member driven club) for any region. If a particular area/region around a track can support an event, hold one. If it cannot, welcome to free enterprise. Free enterprise does not include forcing club members to drive your way to make points or have a place to race [twocents]

DISCLOSURE <> I did not read the IT forum, this is my opinion on the notion of "drop events/points to support other regions" and nothing else.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jim Daniels:

You wont drop races to visit/support my region, nor should you (our member driven club) for any region. If a particular area/region around a track can support an event, hold one. If it cannot, welcome to free enterprise. Free enterprise does not include forcing club members to drive your way to make points or have a place to race [twocents]

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I couldn't have said it better myself!
I like your way of thinking!!! [thumbsup]

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It all worked out. The best description I got was the issue id "dead as a door nail". I take no credit for it and thank the RE's for putting it to rest. Good for racers and that's all that matters.

   

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