Region: Central Florida
Car #: 40
Year : 1991 Posts: 393
It'd be a lot more fun to drive Sebring in those conditions if I had a body shop for a sponsor or the walls were moved back a few hundred feet...
I have a question - I've started Sebring in a significant rain only once...and found myself getting out-braked by guys who were more sure of the available grip than I was. Are there any secrets (other than seat-time/experience in similar conditions) to getting closer to the limit without sliding off on that first lap when everybody is bunched up tight?
Car #: 47
Year : 94 Posts: 488
JT - that was my recommened setup for Drago!
Mark - i'm bored here at work so, here goes ... Sebring with "significant" rain, at the start, if you are grided row 3 on back, in a big field of SM's, you are simply playing russian roulette ... not if, but when, you will get involved in 'the big one'. Starting P-5 and back there is NO visabilty at the start, first two rows have it easy, at least they can see ... first secret; must qualify front two rows
if not possible, then say your prayers on the pace lap as you are now a 'dead man walking', on the way to the gallows, hoping for a last second reprieve from the governor ... then close your eyes coming out of T-17 and wait for the "green-green" over the radios to stand on it ... keeping eyes closed as you shift to 4th while keeping your hands straight count to 10, then open your eyes to see if you can see ... anything ... no ?, close eyes again, brake , blindly turn left, back on gas through T-1, then open eyes and race on down to T-3 ... typical rain start at Sebring Secret #2; at the start, makes no difference if you open your eyes or keep them closed ... and since most of the dudes around you drive as if their eyes are closed, must join them in the fun Danny's wet braking secret - stand on the brake same as in the dry, lock em up, then modulate a bit to regain control of the front end just before turn in - dude has an ABS sensor attached to his rear end, it yells out "whoa Kemosabe! easy there big fella" ... under all hard braking applications. Lesson summary - must qualify up front or must develop close spiritual relationship with supreme being ... or, just close your eyes and count to 10 above advice only for trained proffessionals - do not try the above at home - YMMV - have fun !
Car #: 39
Year : 1999 Posts: 835
Carlos (guest driver) is spot on.
Here is my rain driving primer....just common sense - no real secrets here!
So much of the speed in the wet is made in the braking zone. You will be surpised at how late you can brake and still get away with it. Each corner is different. You will notice that I was intentionally exploring the limits in the qualifying session that most chose to sit out.
Now if the qualifying session was dry and the race is wet, and you havent had the opportunity to find the limits, then you must do this on the out lap of the race, exploring the limits at each corner. Find out how much you can get away with in braking, and how much you can get away with mid corner, and how much you can get away with in power application on exit.
You can easily do this on the out lap. I intentionally lost traction completely (front and back) at least 12-15 times on that National out lap, sometimes on the straights, sometimes in the corner entry and sometimes on the corner exit.
You also need to get heat into the tire on the outlap. You will not get any heat into them swerving side to side, but you will find the limits of adhesion, so you should still swerve side to side. You will have to get heat into the tires through hard threshold braking throughout the entire out lap,and you will find the limits of braking adhesion as well.
You will hit the walls every now and then, but the real benefit is that you are normally going so much slower that normally* the damage is never that great. (*but not always!). Mr Fowler will tell you with great disdain about how much panel beating he has had to do to my car after several over extended RLE laps (rain limit exploration), but I try and get these out of the way in test and qualifying sessions, and then try and dial it back a hair for the races.
and as a hint.... NEVER miss a rain session... EVER. I use every rain session as an opportunity to hone my skills. Wet mall parking lots are fine till security shows up, icy roads and parking lots even better, skid pans are excellent, but the best skill developer is ice driving.
PS - Tom Fowler and I want to get a group together to head to Sweden in January 2011. Best time I have ever had behind the wheel of a car, bar none. If any one is interested PM me or Folwer.
Car #: 97
Year : 1990/99 Posts: 788
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-------------------- 2010 ARRC Champion 2010 CFR Champion 2010 instigator of the year 2010/2011 Andrew Von C Wingman
I've really enjoyed driving Sebring in the rain the 2-3 times I've done it. But those starts on the front canal, I mean straight, with the icey patch in the middle....not for the faint of wallet... Sounds like as usual practice practice practice is the key....and a body shop for a sponsor.