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Danny Steyn Verified Driver
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This is what you do when you cant sleep on a transatlantic flight - edit video! Greetings from Lisbon!!!!!

Here are a couple of fun videos from the rain race at the double national at Sebring on Saturday January 9th 2010.

The first video is a slippery lap around Sebring getting to know the limits, and it is a compilation of all 17 turns edited from several laps in the mornings wet qualifying session

Sebring Rain Lap - Qualifying Session 3 - Compilation

The second video is the start and first lap from National Race 1, and includes the fun drift around turn 1. Guess it's safe to say that I enjoy the rain!!!!!

Sebring National Race 1 - First Lap Fun **new file**

[ 01-12-2010, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: Danny Steyn ]

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Hey Danny, the first videos works fine but the Race 1 video dies for me everytime at 30 seconds.

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Brian
thanks for bringing this to my attention - will upload again unless my hotel room chokes my bandwidth - you get so spoiled with the internet it the USA - not the same thing at all in Europe

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Ill check back for the race video, but judging from the qual vid, it is going to be extremely entertaining.

Great stuff Danny. The T1 drift was incredible and towards the end you looked so comfortable being perpendicular to the track that you would think it was intentional!

AWESOME.

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Danny,
Are you sure you have never driven ASedan? Your wet video looks like about half the AS field on a dry track. Loved it.
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Good stuff!!! Congrats on your win last weekend Danny! The rain video reminds me of the old Panoz days driving the GT cars on 400 treadwear street tires in the rain, now that was some scary fun stuff [Smile]

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Thanks Eric
and yes, the Panoz was way more of a handful in the wet!

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Danny you are THE "SPEED TV" (no copyright infringement intended) can't get the files open, please repost.

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I will call you DK from here on out....

Drift King....

SON!!!! Great Stuff....Keep it comming....

I can hear Danny talking to Tom F...
"Uh Tom...My car is a little loose"....

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Looks like dirt tracking a late model around turn 1. A+!

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Danny great drive as always! Looks like that AMG ice driving did the trick!

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Very impressive Danny!

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Am I correct in assuming that was on full-tread RA-1s?

Looks just like my rain laps only fast.

-Denny

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Great stuff!

It sounds like you get wheel spin when crossing the paint on start/finish. That really shows the extent of the rain.

Great drive.

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Wow, that was fun to watch... not sure it was fun to drive in.

Everyone gets wheel spin in the wet across the paint at S/F, even ALMS cars.

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Yes
lots of wheel spin across the S/F line, even with 120HP! Can only imagine what its like in a car with decent RWHP.

Denny - as to tires, my rains are 2 year old RA-1's that started out full tread, but after a couple of rain races that dried up mid race, they are more like 3-4/32 - not ideal but they still work.

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I thought they reacted more like intermediates than full rains while watching the footage. Damn fine driving Danny!

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It'd be a lot more fun to drive Sebring in those conditions if I had a body shop for a sponsor or the walls were moved back a few hundred feet... [Smile]

I have a question - I've started Sebring in a significant rain only once...and found myself getting out-braked by guys who were more sure of the available grip than I was. Are there any secrets (other than seat-time/experience in similar conditions) to getting closer to the limit without sliding off on that first lap when everybody is bunched up tight?

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Mark you can just do what I did on Saturday; keep your car in a warm trailer and watch Danny school everyone. The grip was great in there and tire wear was nothing. [Smile]

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JT - that was my recommened setup for Drago! [Wink]

Mark - i'm bored here at work so, here goes ...
Sebring with "significant" rain, at the start, if you are grided row 3 on back, in a big field of SM's, you are simply playing russian roulette ... not if, but when, you will get involved in 'the big one'.
Starting P-5 and back there is NO visabilty at the start, first two rows have it easy, at least they can see ...
first secret; must qualify front two rows
[Roll Eyes]
if not possible, then say your prayers on the pace lap as you are now a 'dead man walking', on the way to the gallows, hoping for a last second reprieve from the governor ...
then close your eyes coming out of T-17 and wait for the "green-green" over the radios to stand on it ... keeping eyes closed as you shift to 4th while keeping your hands straight [Eek!]
count to 10, then open your eyes to see if you can see ... anything ... no ?, close eyes again, brake , blindly turn left, back on gas through T-1, then open eyes and race on down to T-3 ... typical rain start at Sebring [Cool]
Secret #2; at the start, makes no difference if you open your eyes or keep them closed ... and since most of the dudes around you drive as if their eyes are closed, must join them in the fun [yep]
Danny's wet braking secret - stand on the brake same as in the dry, lock em up, then modulate a bit to regain control of the front end just before turn in - dude has an ABS sensor attached to his rear end, it yells out "whoa Kemosabe! easy there big fella" ... under all hard braking applications.
Lesson summary - must qualify up front or must develop close spiritual relationship with supreme being ... or, just close your eyes and count to 10 [Big Grin]
above advice only for trained proffessionals - do not try the above at home - YMMV - have fun !

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Danny, sweeeeeet!

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Carlos (guest driver) is spot on.

Here is my rain driving primer....just common sense - no real secrets here!

So much of the speed in the wet is made in the braking zone. You will be surpised at how late you can brake and still get away with it. Each corner is different. You will notice that I was intentionally exploring the limits in the qualifying session that most chose to sit out.

Now if the qualifying session was dry and the race is wet, and you havent had the opportunity to find the limits, then you must do this on the out lap of the race, exploring the limits at each corner. Find out how much you can get away with in braking, and how much you can get away with mid corner, and how much you can get away with in power application on exit.

You can easily do this on the out lap. I intentionally lost traction completely (front and back) at least 12-15 times on that National out lap, sometimes on the straights, sometimes in the corner entry and sometimes on the corner exit.

You also need to get heat into the tire on the outlap. You will not get any heat into them swerving side to side, but you will find the limits of adhesion, so you should still swerve side to side. You will have to get heat into the tires through hard threshold braking throughout the entire out lap,and you will find the limits of braking adhesion as well.

You will hit the walls every now and then, but the real benefit is that you are normally going so much slower that normally* the damage is never that great. (*but not always!). Mr Fowler will tell you with great disdain about how much panel beating he has had to do to my car after several over extended RLE laps (rain limit exploration), but I try and get these out of the way in test and qualifying sessions, and then try and dial it back a hair for the races.

and as a hint.... NEVER miss a rain session... EVER. I use every rain session as an opportunity to hone my skills. Wet mall parking lots are fine till security shows up, icy roads and parking lots even better, skid pans are excellent, but the best skill developer is ice driving.

PS - Tom Fowler and I want to get a group together to head to Sweden in January 2011. Best time I have ever had behind the wheel of a car, bar none. If any one is interested PM me or Folwer.

Ice Driving in Sweden

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Danny.

Enjoyed the videos.

Great Job.....You sure love the rain...You would make one hell of a ballroom dancer with some of your moves... Congratulations

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I'm wondering what you're doing around your helmet with your right hand so often. Just curious. Great video. Those aren't good rain tires but you drove it like a pro.

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quote:
Originally posted by jprather:
I'm wondering what you're doing around your helmet with your right hand so often.

Staying Hydrated - pushing drinks tube into mouth on the straights.

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Cool!!

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I need some help here. I've tried repeatedly downloading the files and all I get is a box with a million characters. I'm working on a mac. Someone please help me get my SM fix.
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Macs do not have to codecs that are required. I work on a MAC as well and the easiest way (and free) is to get the VLC player
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
It has all the codecs or you can pay to upgrade your quicktime player that came with the MAC.

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Thanks Jaime, I'll try it.

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Flip4mac will do it too, for watching Windows Media (WMV) files on a Mac:

http://www.telestream.net/flip4mac-wmv/overview.htm

I've really enjoyed driving Sebring in the rain the 2-3 times I've done it. But those starts on the front canal, I mean straight, with the icey patch in the middle....not for the faint of wallet... [Smile] Sounds like as usual practice practice practice is the key....and a body shop for a sponsor. [Big Grin]

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Danny,

How big is your drink bottle? I find myself going through my bottle in half a race. I'm thinking about putting a big cooler in the trunk and filling that up with drinking water.

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Sean, I use the standard red Coleman type insulated bottle sold by all the speedshops. For enduros I run two bottles, and replace both at the refueling stop. IMHO, correct hydration is a big deal.

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Danny, Can you post the Sunday qualifying video? Or send it to me?

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Hi Blake
will get an opportunity to edit the video this weekend - its 1Gb - way too large to post or email!!!!

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Awesome! Thanks.

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